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Enlightened
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07/11/10 12:57 PM


Use of Drugs
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I was not spiritually aware until I started attending some shows and dabbling into the psychedelic scene.

I'm really happy that I have. It wasn't until my 6th experience that I was finally able to hang onto my spirituality after the drugs wore off.

That said, I read somewhere else here that it's unnatural to open your third eye this way.

Yet, without this experience, I don't think I would have ever been able to think and understand on this level.

Some guidance would be greatly appreciated.


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Akragon
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well lets see..

First off i don't agree with the use of drugs, but myself saying "no don't do that" would make me a hypocrite. You will definately find you are more intuned with the spiritual world after you used certain drugs, mainly halucinigens,( Lsd Peyote mushrooms...Salvia) you might also find that your belief system has been blown right out the door as well, although it might not have taken the right track. Many drugs are highly addictive and cause internal problems like cancer, or some sort of mental instability, although so called scientific proof of such doesn't actually exist aside from the affects of tobbaco.

I personally have tried almost every drug out there and made a habbit of several in the process. I also believe i've been exposed to these things so i could learn about them and pass on my experiences to others which i have.

Now i will say that my "drug phase" was when i was quite a bit younger as well. You will find that if you continue the use and abuse of any narcotic / stimulant for a long period of time it will become a habbit i promise you....and when you get older old habbits are harder to break. For instance tobacco... which is the worst "drug" out of all of them and can only be compared to heroin useage. Tobacco has nicotine which is the single most addictive substance on the planet, the government knows this so to "help you quit" they give more of it using patches and gums, inhalers etc etc...which keep you addicted to the problem. If you ever start smoking cigarettes you will always be addictied to them. I quit 4 years ago, and i still have cravings. Im sure many of you smokers out there will agree....the craving subsides and gets weaker but never actually goes away.

I have older friends which i don't talk to anymore, but have been doing cocane for many years. One person in particular no longer has any sinus cavity, his face kinda sunk in on itself, no word of a lie. Hes been doing it for years and will probably die doing it.

I also know a person thats addicted to heroin, and although shes only 35 you would sware she in her 60s....

So yes some drugs open "spiritual doorways" i guess you could say and although i atribute none of my spirituality to their useage, you'll find that you do think differently when you use certian drugs. The real problem is the lighter drugs lead to the heavier ones sooner or later. Once you've tried one high you'll want to try them all... Unfortunatly not everyone has the will power to just try and not use regularly, knowing this i would stay to most, just don't do them, but again im no hypocrite so do what you will...

But please be careful, because like i said, some have concequences that far outweigh the affect.

If anyone has any questions about any drug please feel free to ask

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Goldenserenity7
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07/11/10 05:09 PM


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quote:

I don't think I would have ever been able to think and understand on this level



Maybe the drugs gave you the confidence you needed, but that the understanding has already been there within you.

Believe in yourself, and do yourself a favor and stay away from the drugs. I worked drug rehab for several years and what those people go through isn't fun. Most just keep going through it as they usually return back to their drugs.
Drugs have a habit of messing up people's lives and even the lives of those around them.


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Akragon
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I agree whole heartedly Goldenserenity7


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Enlightened
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07/12/10 08:59 AM


Re: Use of Drugs
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That makes a lot of sense to me.

I'm going to be a little more open. The only drugs I use are LSD, MDMA, and Cannabis, and that's all I'll ever use.

They've changed my life in many, many good ways, and each time I use them, it's been in a very therapeutic way.

In that state, it's easier for me to solve problems and come to realizations that help me continue my spiritual growth.

What are the alternatives to such things?


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Goldenserenity7
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07/12/10 10:11 AM


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quote:

What are the alternatives to such things?


The alternatives would be meditation or healing the self of past issues to help you advance Spiritually. Sorry, but I really don't see the positives in taking the drugs just to feel that you are having such a Spiritual experience.
Just a note about the one drug LSD....

LSD: The effects of LSD can be described as drug-induced psychosis-distortion or disorganization of a person's capacity to recognize reality, think rationally, or communicate with others. Some LSD users experience devastating psychological effects that persist after the trip has ended, producing a long-lasting psychotic-like state. LSD-induced persistent psychosis may include dramatic mood swings from mania to profound depression, vivid visual disturbances, and hallucinations. These effects may last for years and can affect people who have no history or other symptoms of psychological disorder.

BUT, you are all grown up and capable of making your own choices in life, and if this is what you feel is helping you, than more power to you!
Remember though what I mentioned in my previous post to you...Believe in yourself




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Enlightened
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07/12/10 10:34 AM


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I didn't before, but now I always do.

Thanks for the advice. I have a lot to think about.


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Akragon
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Lsd is the least of your concerns my friend, although its true prolonged use of that particular drug can have some serious affects on your life, MDMA on the other hand is a killer, and not in a good way. You will never get pure MDMA no matter what your friends tell you, 90% of the time they mix it with heroin, pcp, and lots of amphetimines. I probably should have mentioned it in my original post. It also drain or evporate your spinal fluid giving you serious back problems later in life. I have an old friend that was a heavy user of X, he was a huge dancer, and went to clubs and raves just to dance the night away. Well that life is far gone now, he has terrible back problems which his doctor said specifically came from his "Over useage" of MDMA...

Pills are never a good thing, just remember the people that make those pills don't care if you eat 1 or 100, they only care about the money they'll make. These people will put anything in the original product to stretch the MDMA they can sell, most times it will be something you won't want in your body, and also remember...Amphetimines kill, thats why they took them off the market here in canada, we've had quite a few people die from overdose of one kind or another...Diet pills, cough medicine, and a bunch of different drinks....all banned here.

LSD on the other hand while having very bad reputation was actually first manufactured by the american government, mass produced and sold by scientists back in the 1940s....its actually a natural substance that grows on moldy rye seeds. In large doses it can be very dangerous, not because of what it does to your body, but what it does to your mind. Now im not trying to promote this particular drug, but again this is the least of your problems. Back in those days i used to eat LSD like candy, and i've had no side affects what so ever, but i was young, stupid and lucky. You may not be so lucky, theres been many stories i've heard of where people die from eating bad acid, so it would probably be best not to, remember you're litterally poisoning yourself for a buzz.

And for my final thought...haha

There is an alternative to all of those long term drugs, it is harmless but it also might change your mind about trying to get high...and its legal!

its called Salvia...
http://www.google.ca/search?q=salvia&tbo=p&tbs=vid:1&source=vgc&hl=en&aq=f

Watch and learn what it does to you....it may be funny on video, but when its you.....not funny!


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Akragon
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07/12/10 03:22 PM


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Re: Use of Drugs
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One last thing Enlightened, you said you're using these drugs in a "very therapeutic way" Try to remember one thing... When you use these drugs for relaxation or in a therapeutic way, this is when you start to form a habbit around them. You'll find after a while that when you need to relax you head for the therapeutic's. Don't rely on these drugs to relax! Sooner or later you won't be able to relax without them...


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Enlightened
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07/12/10 04:00 PM


Re: Use of Drugs
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Thanks again for the tips.

I know of the misconceptions about LSD. I know you understand its benefits as a former user yourself.

My MDMA usage is through Mali only... never have I taken ecstasy, nor will I. I know it's not 100% clean, but it's much, much cleaner than E.

Please also understand... I've used these drugs six times in my life TOTAL... over the past 4 years.

It is not daily, weekly, or monthly.

I enjoy the rare occasion of heightened enlightenment. I know what is said about this feeling, but unless you've experienced it, there's truly no way for you to understand.

I know that will sound scary to most. All I can offer is my personal experience.

That is why there will always be a great divide on this subject.

It has made me a better person. It has opened my eyes to the existence and the reality of a spiritual path.

If it has lead me here, it can't be all that bad.

Thanks again for the insight everyone.

Edited by Enlightened on 07/12/10 04:03 PM.




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Re: Use of Drugs
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I think you'll find it's impossible for anyone to understand the effects of these substances until you personally experince them. Having said that you can achieve as higher state or even higher through meditation.

As for the comment regarding the spinal column, it is true the drug speed does indeed leach fluid from the spin. As for MDMA, in its pure form I think you'd find this isn't the case.

Did you know that MDMA was developed by a chemist in the early 1900, it was first marketed as a diet pill and even on the shelves of pharmacies as an over the counter medication.

Theirs good and bad to everything, its how you handle and the reason behind the choices we make that makes an addict over a casual user, or you may call it an experiencer.





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Enlightened
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07/13/10 11:39 AM


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Thank you, Balance. I came to that realization after I posted.

I'm definitely an experiencer.


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Akragon
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speed and MDMA are the same drug in different forms...
Both meth-amphetimine...


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Enlightened, I can relate to you on a lot of levels, and your words sound similiar to some own views I've held in my life. Drugs do open up diffrent energy channels in your body and shift your consciousness into different centers within and through the body mind. When such a thing happens, there is a HUGE increase in the amount of energy going through that channel or into that area in the brain. What happens is that this increase in energy can trigger a type of "portal" to be opened and some knowledge, insight, experience, or ability to attune to higher energies may ensue. Since there was suich a huge increase of energy going through these channels and portals, a "Burning out" of the channel or portal occurs. This leaves that area's "psychich shield" down and it is vulnerable to negative energy or influence in the future. It can take a long time for the spirit to fully repair even one energy channel! You get different experiences each time because of the path or channel the energy takes each time you take a drug. And if you are open spiritually then you have different channels operating than someone who is not spiritually minded. It is a well known fact that ecstacy causes holes in the brain, and that is from overloads of energy in the brain. I have had great shifts of awarenesses and progress on my spiritual path using drugs, and wouldn't want to trade some of my experiences for anything, but the sad truth is that I am now not able to experience life on a "full" level because of some of the damage to my nervous system, heart, and energetic body. That I would trade. If you SINCERELY want a life based on integrating truth and a higher reality into every cell of your being, and want to know it on a real and sustainable level, then stay away from drugs!!!


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Re: Use of Drugs
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My opinion on this is that, taking drugs may initially open a doorway to seeing the "truth" or "the other side' if you may. However, in the long run, over time you may need to keep increasing your dosage in order to get the same affects. I would recommend practicing meditation, and I think you will be pleasantly surprised by what you see ..On top of that, you will feel healthier

But what can you say..everyone takes a different route to seeing the "truth" don't we? Only in time do we eventually realize it was right under our nose the whole time

God bless

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Goldenserenity7
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07/27/10 09:31 PM


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Great advice Tink11 !!

Also, the key word is "To open" you should not need a drug to open the doorway every time. Once the door is open, it's open!


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Enlightened
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07/30/10 09:14 AM


Re: Use of Drugs
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I've found the solution.

When I first started experimenting, I felt a change in me, but I wasn't able to figure out what exactly it was.

I thought about it relentlessly, and came up with all kinds if theories. Then one day, I was looking up some information on a Phish song called 'Light.'

'Light' is written from inspiration that Phish's lead guitarist, Trey Anastasio, found after reading a book called 'The Power Of Now,' which I just recently finished reading.

Everything that I had contemplated was reaffirmed by this book.

By taking those drugs, I allowed myself to experience what it was like to live in the present. It allowed me to shut my mind off and feel my existence as an entity outside of the voice in my head.

From that moment on, everything seemed brighter! The colors of the trees and flowers, the blueness of the mid day sky, the deep green of the beautiful Lake in my home town... and I could feel the life, the energy, in everything!

I've become increasingly better at shutting my mind off and allowing my inner self to take control while sober.

Now I understand why addicts exist. They're chasing a quick fix without even realizing that they could live with an eternal peace for the rest if their lives!

SOME (emphasis on some) drugs, like anything, are good in very limited moderation. Like reading a spiritual book, or posting on this message board, they allow you to dig deeper into your inner most self and give you the boost that we know we all need sometimes to keep living consciously in an unconscious world.

Has anyone ever read the noval, "Island," by Aldous Huxley?

It's a fictional story about a man who becomes shipwrecked on the Island of Pala. The special thing about this Island is that it is a fully functional country, whose inhabitants are all enlightened.

Part of their spiritual progress and development involves, on top of regular meditation, taking something called their, "Moksha Medicine," which is actually magic mushrooms.

I know the word drug is scary to many, and it is true that drugs have not been beneficial for everyone on this planet, but similar to a sword, drugs can be used for good and evil, and they'll manifest themselves as such based on your intentions and your intentions alone.

That said, I'm not being an advocate. Many of you have found yourselves through other means, and you're quite content that way. That's great!

I believe that my destiny has taken me down this path to help those around me who use them for the wrong reasons, and unfortunately, I know many.

If anyone is ever having any trouble in these areas, I'd be happy to help you. Just send me a personal message, and I'll do the best that I can!

Thanks for the input everyone.

Edited by Enlightened on 07/30/10 09:33 AM.




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I cannot imagine anything more horrible than having your life depend on a daily regime of drugs.
It doesn't matter whether the drugs are for diabetes, hypertension, or enlightenment. Drugs should never be the solution unless one has not totally exhausted all other natural possibilities with determination. Who can claim that with regards to enlightenment?


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Goldenserenity7
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07/31/10 10:00 AM


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You are 100% correct RisingTide!
I'm done voicing my opinion on this thread because if I say any more it's forcing my thoughts onto another. They will do what they choose to do, and no wise words will sway them otherwise. It's their journey.


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Enlightened
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07/31/10 10:38 AM


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I agree. Daily use would be a miserable way to live.

Much like you cannot force your will upon the unconscious, there will always be a great divide on this subject.

That said, I'm one of many on this earth that shares this point of view.

Here's what I know. My actions in this regard have greatly assisted me in my journey to understanding my spirituality.

Drugs have helped myself and many others into consciousness, therefore I have a hard time ignoring their validity.

Thanks for hearing me out.

Edited by Enlightened on 07/31/10 10:40 AM.




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