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cybermonk14
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08/21/00 04:13 PM


is channeling true
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read this whole thing i hope none of this offends any of you and all please give you opinions on it.

hi its me cyber monk 14 again

my mom says the bible says and it ture that the devil looke like the angel of light it is ture.

the devil was a highest angel of heaven but thought he was god and got sent to hell and he became the devil so are you realy accepting the light are the darkness .

look at the fact god say theres only one god and thats him the devil is not a god just a fallen angel.

who know the devil might be just guilding you thought life rdy for the right moment to get you.

the new age religion is base on being your own god and god says there only one god and channeling is part of the new age religon

but the question here is channeling ture are not i know it work for you but will not work for all i have a friends who tryed it once and got scared to death i heard and never did it again.

you cnat control who you contact so it can be the devil are demonslook like light.

the only thing ture in your guide is the gardian angel part but god protects us all the time if we follow his will and not any other like new age like things.

so your is your protection ture are not yes your afraid the bible might have lies in it are mis translations.

but god says the devil can apper as a angel of light so it might be the devil protectioning you in till the right time.

so if there is nothing harmful in this ill finley belive the path of light book :).

ps: are you sure your on the right path of light there are many paths of light and even thos going down are up we follow are ownpaths but follow your heart and witch way you go will tell you if you go to hell are heaven when you die.







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Greetings CyberMonk14,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and doubts .
Let me respond to some of your points:

Agreed, the devil or any of his helpers can appear to be from the light - in fact, I've heard of people who think they channel a being of light, but they have merely fallen for one of the imitations. Discernment is top priority. This cannot be achieved by looking at the entity or by asking for the name - which of course can both be a lie, the looks and the name. Only through years of preparation, light work, spiritual growth can you learn to connect to your soul and higher levels of consciousness - this higher level allows discernment when it comes to contact with spirit.

I also agree that there is only one God, and the devil is definitely no God.

I wasn't aware there was such a thing as "New Age Religion"... but if that says everyone is his own God, I don't want any part in it either - what, however, I do believe is that God created the world and the souls - out of what? Well, I believe out of parts of himself, what else, after all, before creation there was only God, so it had to come from him, right? So, we all are part of God, his creation. I wouldn't call that being God, when you are a part of the creation, a child of God. I know some people use the term "God" and "Goddess" more liberally, but what they refer to would be something I would call "divine being", i.e. one that is very highly developed - nonetheless, a child of God.

Since I know several established churches (christian spiritualist) where channeling is common, channeling is not just a "New Age" phenomena.

True, channeling does not work for everyone, as it takes years of preparation (or should I say lifetimes?) - and when you are not well prepared, just exactly what you mention can happen, and contact can be made to lower forms, even demons, pretending to be some angel or "master". You can open up the gateway, and not being able to distinguish, this could have some very bad effects. So I'm not surprised that when your friends tried it, they got scared to death. This can be much worse than children playing with fire. But I'm not here to create fear, fear is a tool of the devil. Just a fair warning and clarification . Simply said - I say stay away from ouija boards and the sorts...

Yes, I can control who establishes contact - I don't ask for a specific being, but in the process of establishing contact, just like receiving a phone call, I need to verify who is calling me . When you get a phone call from someone, you verify by the sound of the voice if the caller is really who he/she claims to be - or by caller ID maybe... In channeling, I can feel the presence of spirit even before they identify themselves. Just like you can feel comfortable in the company of one person but not in the company of another, without being able to quite say why, just because of the feelings you have, this is kind of like what I experience. Over the years I also noticed that each entity feels slightly different - one of my "regulars" feels always very gentle, understanding, a lot of warmth from the heart, another, e.g. Michael, feels very uplitfting, very strong, bright. It's more than that, but it is difficult to describe. Anyway, identifying by name is often just an "add-on" as I can tell right away by the feelings who I am dealing with. When someone unknown comes (this hasn't happened lately...) I'm always very cautious, but I know I'm protected since I do use light protection and ask my guardian angel for help. Through the light, God is with me. One undeniable truth is - where there is light, there cannot be darkness. I know, sometimes things may appear as light, but this is merely a reflection of the light, not the source of it! When you allow the source of light within to shine out into your life, there is no room for dark forces.

Well, I'm not "afraid" the bible has lies in it... I simply prefer up to date spiritual advice from angels and highly evolved spirit... specific to our current situation...

You don't need to be believe in the "Path Of Light" book... you're right, there are many paths that lead to the light - some are shorter, some are longer, though .

Let me point out, I'm not trying to convince you of my way, I'm not a missionary, far from it... You asked for my opinion about your points, so I stated that. I hope you will find your path - whichever path that may be.

In Love & Light
Gerrit





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laloba
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08/21/00 04:10 PM


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Dear cybermonk,
I have been doing some research on channeling, first the word channeling means:a passage for something passing through or transmitting. It is a more modern word to replace the very misunderstood word "Tongues" which comes from the Greek word: "glossa" meaning: a specific language one does not acquire naturally. This reffers to the many verses in the bible where people speak languages that are not their natural language. Read the following to learn more: 1 Corinthians chapter 12, the whole chapter is about spritual gifts, and Acts chapter 2 verse 4 & 11, Acts chapter 19 verse 6. There are also many more verses in the Bible to read about this subject, if you would like to know more just let me know I will be happy to provide you with the information.
Peace be with you.
Laloba




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tigerseye41
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01/04/01 10:25 PM


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hi there gerrit, re your post channeling, i agree with you, but i feel each person is on their own path, so we have chosen different lessons i this lifetime, i also use the light of protection, but i also believe your intention has a lot to do with who is drawn towards you, and yes you do know the feeling of your guides,




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Archangel
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01/12/01 08:47 AM


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hello gerrit,

i would just like to say i COMPLTELY know what your saying about knowing which spirits come to you by 'feeling them'. i also get this feeling, where its like looking someone in the face, and reading their expression, knowing who they are..
and what they are, in some cases.
thank you for letting my know i'm not the only one out there with this..

Archangel




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germanspirit35
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01/17/01 09:02 AM


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Oh Gerrit,
I really don't know why I must say this to you, but I know for a fact that the statement
"Only through years of preparation, light work, spiritual growth can you learn
to connect to your soul and higher levels of consciousness -"
cannot be true.......maybe to you..but I have to share what I witness on a daily basis.
I am for some reason very in tune with the "teenagers" of our area, and they are coming to me
and asking for assistance in their evolutionary path. Many of these teens are flying so fast
and channelling and telepathically communicationg with one another that is is almost frightening to me to see this mass reawakening. I have recently had the honor of reading a journal of a 17 yr old who has been "automatically" writing, while just sitting in her bed. I msut say what she writes is amazing.......she is obviously opening up and not even realising it.........she is now, as I am sharing with her some experiences to make her feel more at ease, as she honestly thought she was a "freak" of nature.......
My son, he and I are learning to telepathically communicate, and needless to say it is working...there are days when he is off at school I want him to call get the number to call him and POOF...he calls the second I reach for the phone......and he says, you rang????
I jsut laugh, cause I didn't call, I just wanted him too.........I see kids doing this right and left with one another.......and they haven't been reawakening up unitl this yr began......
coincidence????? maybe....planned...I think so..........
I think for some of us, we are going slowly, as change is a scary thing......and sometimes very
hard to accept.......especailly if everything you haev learned in your life is different from what you are realising now.
Some of us,. fly by the seat of our pants and cruise so fast and get these bursts of energies
and really jsut go with the flow until it is time to do something with it...as in guided to share, teach or just be.
And then some of us are "messengers", and we have all the control in the world as to how we
are changing, what we belive in and just knowing "how" the world is and was etc.

I think some people are still overly judgemental when it comes to "religion" and "spiritual" awareness, but I also agree in the fact that there is a stereotypical name for this
"religion" and people, (not I) but people do call what we believe in....the spiritual growth
and intunement of our souls as "NEW AGE".........and hence the confusion in our society.

(ok babbling........but I know.......I jsut do...........this kid is searching for himslef, and his family is making him fear the obvious....HIMSELF!)

Wow, I jsut read my post....very interesting........if I do say so myself....
LOL
In love in light and in spirit
JMO......

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In reply to:

I really don't know why I must say this to you, but I know for a fact that the statement
"Only through years of preparation, light work, spiritual growth can you learn
to connect to your soul and higher levels of consciousness -"
cannot be true.......maybe to you..but I have to share what I witness on a daily basis.


Well, it appears to be true to me, because I'm not only referring to preparation in this life, actually mostly in previous lives, that is why it comes so easy to youngsters, they are not only prepared from past lives, but also are more open minded than most adults. Just my thoughts on this... maybe I'm wrong... but that's what my personal opinion is on this...

Love & Light
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germanspirit35
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OK, agree.....these kids I am meeting with today are just alot more open than some of the adults I am dealing with too. What really amazes me, is that they are also jsut as fearful as I was 6 yrs ago, but are still willing to go for it. Like they have no worries...or no reason to believe they are doing something wrong....I agree in the way you have put it, through past lives and this life it takes time to get there, however, is it poss. that some of these kids jsut never "shut" down?

Sorry about making that sound so rude.....in the first response, I didn't mean to come off so harsh, (I guess I should read before sending) I jsut wanted the cybermonk to know it is OK to
feel totally confused and to question all that is........some people are very straight forward when it comes to religion......and if you just allow yourself to FEEL and be intune with YOU, than you can't possibly go wrong....
Funny thing, my horoscope said I was too quick to respond......LOL
sorry Gerrit,(hugs) it was in my best interests though!!
in love in light and in spirit
germanspirit35




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Amethyst
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01/19/01 08:53 PM


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Wow..I'm glad I decided to read this thread... ... Germanspirit..you and I ramble alot alike...LOL... I pick up the rhythm in your words as if they were my own......

I have a very interesting mix of religion in my family...I have an Aunt that is Wiccan...a cousin that is Pagan... my fathers side of the family are devout Catholics... my husbands side of the family are devout Southern Baptist... I was raised United Methodist..though we didn't visit church very often... and boy is it fun to watch the power of religion take hold at family reunions...LOL..especially when ya throw me in the mix.. the one that picks up the phone and says "hello Mother"...and no I don't have caller id...LOL

I laugh not in the name of religion, but at religion itself... for me religion is a man made organization..it is created for power by the organizations..so many wars fought in the name of religion..yet it was for nothing more really than control... there are nearly 20 versions of the bible in existance today....which one is right???

Don't get me wrong.... I call myself a Christian because I believe in God(and simply for lack of a better term)... but I believe in God for what I know God to be..not what a book tells me he must be... not what an organization tries to scare me into believing... but what I know...and I'm always searching for knowledge... I'm always looking within me....I think there is truth in all religions..I think there is truth in the bible... but I also think that it is flawed by man... and I guess the one thing that gets me more than anything is that people would rather fight and hold prejudice about their differences of "religion" than come together and realize that they all believe in a higher existence and they are all allowed to find their own path... they have freedom in that path yet so many let someone else tell them what it is.... So with that said... I generally laugh when people try to persuade me of their man made creation of spirituality... I find that most of these people really don't have a connection with God because they are led to believe that the way to God is simply doing what their religion says...Now that's funny isn't it??? When ya think of the many religions..then the argument is "ok, so who's gettin' there and who's not???"...

Anyway.... I don't mean to sound rebelious (because I'm not)adn I didn't mean to be so long winded... but for a mother to simply believe that only the Bible has the answers and that is the only thing that is right...then she is denying herself further spiritual growth as well as basically saying that the rest of the world and all the religions are wrong....see it just doesn't make sense...

so I say.... take it all..look at it all...but look within, the answers are there...

sheesh.... I go on and on and on and on..LOL.. and I"m really not done...but I"m gonna stop before I upset someone..

Amethyst


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germanspirit35
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01/20/01 07:02 AM


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Amethyst,
MY WORDS EXACTLY....I jsut couldn't spit them out like that!!!!!!! LOL
Yes, I tend to ramble, but where else can you jot down you freedom of speech and not be judged, ridiculed or laughed at????? Or maybe people do that here, but it doesn't bother me as
"what I don't know doesn't hurt"!!!!!!
I want you to know that your response makes a whole lot of sense and I truely wish that some of the people in this village of ours would understand.......
as of yesterday, heard it through the grapevine, that I am the topic of conversation....
I am basically a "witch" and I don't believe in GOD because I am spiritual......
This is what they are saying about me....................
What "they" don't undestand, is I DO believe in GOD, and that is whart gives me this great power to be free from "society's rules"!
Here I go again, rambling spirit!!!!
(maybe that will be my new name!! LOL)
Anybody with any advice on how to deal with this,
no offense, but it is like being Gay and coming out...you always get judged!
This village is small, consists of alot of expatriates (USA) and they are my friends.
Word spreads fast..........

in love in light and in spirit
Germanspirit35





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Amethyst
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01/20/01 10:05 PM


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Hey GermanSpirit.....

That is a shame what you are going through in your village...and that these very same people can most likely not believe that your path is one of Gods...though they'll believe all of those "miracles" in the Bible..hmmmppfff....as I scratch my head....... the same people that believe no one is re-incarnated..that no one can possibly have psychic abilities... and if they do..that none of those things can come from God... I wonder how those same people then rationalize the prophecies of the Bible??? hmmppfff again... they believe that Gabriel could warn Mary of Jesus's birth..but they don't believe that modern man can talk to or channel such beings ...you guessed it.."hmmppff again".... They'll believe in burning talking bushes and seas parting... and believe these are things from God... but they won't believe in auras..or healing... sheesh...I won't say hmmppff again...LOL.... But they'll believe that Raphael healed.......

It's very hard today to tell people of your beliefs with acceptance.. and all I can say is that I guess the best way to deal with them is to only give them what you know they need...keep the rest to yourself... There have been many religious figures ridiculed and even crucified (Jesus), for their beliefs that were different .... and yet these are the very beings that we now worship for their spirituality...so maybe see yourself as part of a group that is awakening in spirit to lead the way just not understood yet... I think it's coming on a much larger scale than it ever has before and I think it's because it's going to take alot more work and energy to make people see and understand...make sense???... I don't share all of the things I do or my beliefs out in the open... though I let the actions of my beliefs and the power of that energy work it's own magic...the work it's meant to do.. let people ask me why..then I only explain what I think they can handle.. nothing more... ... I do find them though asking more and more questions... as they get used to and absorb what I let them know...

I too have been called a "witch" at times...people pretending to say it jokingly all the while wondering if I have some deep dark secret I'll confess too..LOL.. I'm not a "witch" though I think people even confuse that with satan worshippers... they aren't the same thing..the witches I have known are actually very loving people that just worship God in a different way...nothing evil about them(I have 2 in my family)... but see...even over time..that's been blown out of proportion and made into something horrible.... "society"..~sigh~.... what can ya say????

From my point of view...and my spirituality..I don't think anyone is wrong in their path to God.. as I said.. I think there is truth in every religion... and I don't ridicule people for their beliefs..however..it's a shame that most of them aren't the same way...

Well..I did it too..LOL.. I guess I'm your rambling sister in spiritLOL

Amethyst


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germanspirit35
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Rambling sister spirit.....
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

You are funny, Amethsyt.......
Yes, I agree, people are jsut "strangely set in their beliefs".
I didn't share anything that they didn't share first, I jsut added input..so let sleeping dogs lie, as my son says!
I do however have a coffee morning with them next Thursday for the PTA....
and I do intend on going, I won't hide nor run.....
The situation reminds me of the movie "practical magic"...one of my favorites,
and I learned from it to jsut "be myself" but lower key!
I honestly thought one of my lessons in life is to TRUST people when I speak to them, trust that they won't go off and talk behind my back, trust that they enjoy my company, and trust that they too are honest.....I still have a problem with that in this society....
I trusted, I got burned ...........again............hmphhhhhhhhhf
oh well.......
In love in light and in spirit
germanspirit35
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Amethyst
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01/22/01 01:56 PM


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GermanSpirit... I love that movie too..and as soon as I read PTA meeting that movie came to mind..LOL... hmm..should I come help ya out???

I think when it comes to Trust and the things you mentioned...I think the only one we can trust of these things is ourselves... sad but true....but I think if we are true to ourselves then we'll attract like people.... and the ones that can't be trusted don't receive our trust until we can trusts them...

I'm a very sociable person, I love to talk ,(duh..motormouth here)be with people, etc.. but being friendly doesn't mean they have my trust.... that's a whole different thing.... ... I guess the one thing I do count on, or trust is that "yes, they will talk behind my back".."yes, they would judge me"..."yes, they enjoy my company... and we can have fun on this level"... etc... and every now and then, sometimes the least likely or expected one will be the one that you can trust and know will be honest...

Ok.. I'm rambling again.. LOL

Lemme stop...haha

Amethyst
(RamblingSpirit2)

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Renato
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02/09/01 05:42 PM


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Dear Cybermonk,

I will avoid saying similar things my friends at this board have said before me. Read their emails and you will get excellent advice. So, I just want to add a few comments.

Channeler is a new name for an eon-old practice. Shamans of all times, since the first dawn of humanity on this planet were channelers. Channelers are called "prophets" in the Bible. We Spiritists call them mediums.

Since God is the uncreated Creator, immanent in every creature and transcendent to Creation, God is not a being and so cannot be channeled. As Lord Jesus clearly said, no one, not even Him, has ever seen God. After all, only beings and things can be seen and only spirits can be channeled. The prophets of the Bible channeled spirits, not God. Those spirits whose messages were wise, indulgent and loving, were superior spirits. Those whose messages were full of wrath and revengeful feelings certainly were not.

There are infinite paths to perfection. Struggle to evolve in wisdom and goodness and you will be walking on one of those.

Much Peace,

Renato Costa




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Joanne
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02/10/01 01:42 AM


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renato;
Your explanation fits the way I feel towards the spiritual beings that loves us and guides us. Thank you for your wonderful post! You have put a warm smile upon my face! Much love and light to you my friend;

~~May the light shine upon you~~


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Amethyst
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.. Wow..ok, I've started this post about 9 times this evening and then delete everything and start over...lol... some very interesting things you said Renato...which I have to ask this..do you believe there is a feminine side of God??? Does it not make sense that there would be?? There is a male and female in"everything" created that has life.... think about it...

I for one do believe that God can't be channeled.. but I think he can be spoken to and you can feel his answers... but I truly don't think that one could accomodate his energy through channeling....I just think it would be waaay to powerful... we'd all end up looking like that guy our of the movie "Back to the future"..with our hair standing up and Marty Feldman eyeballs........and then we'd look at each other and say "Oh , channeling God again, eh?"[lol] LOL.. but seriously... I have many thoughts on religion/God/Jesus... and even prophecy.. as I do not believe that all intuitive things are spoken to us through other spirits... I believe that some of us are still in tune with our higher self that opens this channel to information.... that some who are 'psychic" with visions are indeed connecting in a different way.. that not everything comes through "channeling" another spirit... though there is much from your guides and however high you cna work up... it's the very same as if you remember things from a past life... I think that's a "channel" (for lack of a better word) that's somehow left open..

Just my thoughts... have any on this??? I enjoy your input

Amethyst

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02/11/01 03:02 PM


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Amethyst,
I know this reply has pretty much nothing to do with the thread it is hung on, but you answered a question with the last line of your post that I had yesterday (yes, I do believe we are all connected here). For the last several nights I have been having the busiest of dreams, and for the life of me could not figure out why. And then, as I read your last line: "I think that's a "channel" (for lack of a better word) that's somehow left open.." it hit me!! A few days ago, I went to my psychic room and upon leaving, I decided to leave the "information switch" on the on position instead of the stand by. I just wanted to see what would happen..... yikes, now I know and will never do that again!! Although, I do want to mention (since I forgot about my psychic room until now) last night before I fell alseep I asked my guides to only let come thru those that had my highest good in mind and let it be restful. Today I am totally rested, but shall venture back to my room and flip that switch. Thank you for helping me, without even knowing it With love and light, Lisa


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Renato
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02/12/01 02:16 PM


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Dear Amethyst,

I understand that God is the uncreated Creator, immanent in all creatures and transcendent to creation. God has no sex, since God is not a Spirit. In what concerns attributes, yes, God is both Father and Mother. But God is also Brother and Sister, Son and Daughter. God is everything and more than everything (transcendent). God is the unnamable. We just call God, God, because we must name whatever or whoever we want to talk about.

Oh, yes, I agree with you. Although God cannot be channeled, we may certainly talk to Him/Her. Whenever we pray to God, our prayers go up in His/Her direction. Depending on the degree of purity of the vibration sent, our prayer will reach a certain level of spirit. If our prayer is pure transcendent love, the reply will come from a pure spirit, one that has already reached perfection, that is, full synchronicity with God's will. Much unfortunately, most of us are far from being able to send pure vibrations up to God and all we normally succeed in getting are answers from lower (than pure) order spirits, which may be wiser and better or less wise and less better, depending on our own evolution level.

I also agree with you that not all intuitive things are spoken to us through other spirits. We act as mediums when another spirit is using us to reach the 3D material world with its ideas or actions. When we are only getting messages or ideas from our own spirit (higher self) we are not acting as mediums. It is a phenomenon we Spiritist call "animism". Since the spirit (the individuality) is always much wiser than the personality, having full memory of uncountable lives, we always benefit from listening to its advice.

Much Peace,

Renato

PS: Would you please satisfy a cultural curiosity of mine? What does "LOL" mean?





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Renato
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02/12/01 02:20 PM


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Dear Joanne,

Thank you for your kind words. I am warmly smiling too, my friend.

Much Peace,

Renato




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Amethyst
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02/12/01 03:30 PM


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Hi Renato...LOL means Laughing out loud..

Thanx for your thoughts.. you and I see some things in very similar ways...

Blessings..

Amethyst

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