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Amethyst
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04/17/01 03:10 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Ooops....I aplogize for all fo the typos....too lazy to go fix them though

Love, light and hugs..
Amethyst

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laloba
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04/17/01 03:12 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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hmmmmm to answer your question about stubborness:
What does ? Hmmmmm, this is the big question of the coming century.....

answer: Compassion........for others and ourselves.....it is the door to change all things..........

Blessings
Laloba








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CarolynZ
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04/17/01 06:21 PM
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Re: Religious controversy
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gkmail,

My blind leap was learning to trust in God, which took years. Lets see how to say this.... Ok, because of constant betrayal in my childhood(basickly in a nutshell that was it) I lost trust in God, began to ignore my own body signals (no longer trusted my solar plexus), learned to be clairvoyant in order to astral travel and know when things would occur (my solar plexus and third eye were very out of whack in my book) and until I was 20 I lived life hard and fast. When I was 20 I was an EMT, volunteer firefighter (yeh,me- wasn't that a hoot?), drinking with the firefighters, driving fast, living life on the edge of danger 24/7! I had a mycardial infarction (heart attack) by the end of my 20th year. I was given a baseball bat if you will, on my head, to remind me I wasn't immortal, I needed boundaries! Thus began my breakdown, beginning with physical (in 1990) and ending up (in 1992) with a mental one. Memories surfaced from early early early childhood that I never even knew were there, of things so horrible I will not write them here, that I had no clue even occured to me. But once I accepted the memories as truth, my chakras (solar plexus, everything else) began to work its way into healthy and balanced for the first time in probably... since I was an infant. Granted this process took years of recovery, years of couneling, years of confronting my utmost fears. I had the "dark time" that I refer to, in 1996, when I hit rock bottom, declared myself an aethiest (again, me?), suffered a year long depression after the birth of my second child. My husband stayed with me through all that. I wish I could repay him for being tough. Anyway, in my aethieism, lol, I began to have flashes of Light in both times of awake and sleep, a comforting Light, warm and beckoning, like a big hug. Now I knew there was a God, being psychic since birth how could I not, surviving what I had survived as a young infant and child, how could I not? But knowing and admitting this to yourself are two different things. I had to hit rock bottom in order to get up again. To know that God was there with me all along! I had to recognize Him, that was the thing.

Part of healing from my childhood was taking that blind leap, trusting..... that was a big issue, trusting for the first time probably truly in my whole life, on something untangible, to Guide me. I am thankful for everything I have experienced, including the bad experiences. They have given me a broad perspective, very diverse way of looking at the world, at people, at my place in the world. When something like a bad abusive thing happens when you are a child, you lose your sense of worth and lose your reason for being born. But believe me, when trust enters your being again, at whatever age you are when this happens, this guidance and sense of who you are, who you were meant to be, does come back. I hope this helps someone. Love, CarolynZ

Knowledge is power, but first.... know thyself.


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Renato
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04/17/01 06:29 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Dear Friends,

When we analyze any spiritual message we must scrutinize it under the lights of reason, good common sense and well-balanced intuition in order to know how much faith we must have in it.

If we start reading the message by “Goddess Venus”, we will listen to Chris saying: “Goddess Venus has relayed to me information describing that the Illuminati (heads of the NWO---see my post on ascension) have essentially created all the worlds major religions, with the specific focus on a single male God creator in all the religions”. After reading this introduction to Goddess Venus’s message, there is no need for us to proceed.

“All the world’s major religions” must include all forms of Buddhism and Hinduism, or else billions of people would be ignored. As far as I know, the Brahman is formless, sexless, unconceivable, and unnamable. When we think of Buddhism, the affirmation made by "Goddess Venus" is even more absurd. There is no God in Buddhism, less even a male God. Where is the so-called “focus on a single male God”?

Having failed under the first scrutinizing light, the message simply cannot be trusted. There is no controversy whatsoever.

Dear Chris, please forgive me for being so frank. Instead of feeling forced to post things you suspect may not please other people to read, analyze them carefully before posting. After scrutinizing the message the spirit that calls itself “Goddess Venus” says you must post, you will know better if you must post it or not. We want you to stay with us in this lovely board.

Much Peace,

Renato





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Amethyst
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04/17/01 06:41 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Well said Renato.....

Love & Light..
Amethyst

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gkmail
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04/18/01 09:10 AM
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Thank you, thank you, thank you,....

To all of you.

If it is my inner child playing safe and refuse to get off the Illuminati 'hook', you have done this inner child great service by showing him that there is less to be afraid, because there are others in the same boat. The Sentence I 'heard' back in 1998 when I had my spiritual awakening -- "You are not alone." now takes on a new meaning. I thought it refer to, angels,aliens,...etc.

Maybe I have mixed fear and cautiouness up along the path. The two usually goes together, don't they ? (like salad and salad dressing...smile)

Your benevolent and loving attitude has touched me. Embarrsing to say, but the warmth in those messages, I have never felt them when talking to priests and ministers,......(just allow me to vent my anger here a little bit at being beaten up by priests and Christians (metaphorically).)

Thank you, thank you, thank you.....

GK







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Amethyst
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04/18/01 01:58 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Hiya again GK... the dogma of religion... and the "instilled fear"... jsut know in your heart that the fear was "man" driven... not "God" driven.... do not fear God.... he's not vengeful..as religion would make you believe...



Love, Light ane Hugs..
Amethyst

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gkmail
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04/20/01 10:07 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Amethyst,

I got it !

I asked myself this question after reading your message, 'When has God ever punished you ?'

'If you don't know the answer to that, is it because you have never made contact with God ?'

Now I can see that much of what happened to me is either
a) cause by another human being
b) cause by myself (higher self + consciousness)

Until I get to 'meet+know' God, I will no longer lay blame or praise 'God', or something that I know nothing about.

I am realizing how ridiculous I have been.

Blaming society's problem on 'God', using 'God' has a scapegoat. Or vice versa, praising the beauty of sky as 'God''s creation. Both are equally ignorant when you know nothing about 'God'.

In big organizations when people make a mistake, the commonest way is to blame it on something that has no life, such as claiming it is a computer error. Why did computer make errors ? Oh, nobody knows, maybe a spark, maybe the hardisk I/O,....

So, everybody gets away 'clean'.

Or your kids become a drug addict, blame the society !

In this case 'God'=computer=society......

I dare say this kind of belief structure is exactly the same as African tribes worshipping the 'Rock God' or 'Fire God', whatever ......

If there is BS, this is the truest BS.

Ha, how could I have fallen for that for years !

And what can I say except Thank You, ALL !

You are ALL right along too, nobody can walk the path for you. I now understand that I have to experience 'God' myself. No amount of lip service or logical arguement can substitue EXPERIENCE.

But, if you can share with me your experience of 'God', I would like to hear your personal truth.

To put the above in the form of a question; it would be, 'What is "God" to you ?'

GK




Edited by gkmail on 04/20/01 03:07 PM.




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gkmail
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04/21/01 07:41 AM


Re: Religious controversy
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Hi, ALL

Like to share this piece with you,.

"The Twelve Signs of Inner Peace"
(author unknown)


Loss of interest in conflict.

Frequent attacks of smiling.

Frequent overwhelming attacks of appreciation.

Loss of desire to judge in judging others.

Unmistakable ability to enjoy each moment.

Tendency to think and act spontaneously
rather than from fear based on past experience.

Loss of interest in interpreting the actions of others.

Loss of the ability to worry (a serious symptom).

Contented feelings of connectedness to others and nature.

Increasing susceptibility to love extended by others
as well as an uncontrollable urge to extend it.

Increasing tendency to let things happen -
Rather than make things happen

--Author Unknown

GK




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laloba
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04/21/01 04:24 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Dearest gkmail.....
I loved this.........thanks for posting it.......I am going to copy this one down.......!!!!!

Blessings
Laloba




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AndrewMac
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04/23/01 11:19 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Dear gkmail,

Thanks very much for posting the list. I never tire of reading it.

Just a thought/question for you. When you say that you have not yet "met" God, have you considered that you are perhaps looking for God/dess in all the "wrong" (for you) places, or perhaps looking through a glass, darkly?

If you want a stern disciplinarian father-figure God, then, by all means, continue on paths that others have worn deeply through the millennia, seeking to appease a God or Gods of frightening visage. Make sure you keep a lot of fear going, because the fear prevents you from seeing anything in the proper "Light."

However, if you truly seek God, look within you for the source of your inner "Smile," bring that smile outward to your own countenance. Then, quite simply, look in a mirror. God is everywhere, friend. Our "task" or lesson here, is often laid out in a pattern of discovering gradually, or perhaps suddenly, that we are enlightened God-beings. Living that, fathoming THAT is the truest form of becoming "God-realized." You may choose to call it satori, nirvana, rapture, enlightenment, or nothing at all . . . these are but names.

If you seek wisdom, first, be wise. If you seek God, then "polish" your own spirit so that the Light of God pours forth from within -- then you will know that what you have sought has ALWAYS been you and been with you.

May there be peace throughout the world.


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RaEl
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04/24/01 00:42 AM


Re: Religious controversy
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GK,
GOD is the Way to ONE!
i have evolved past the Duality, it is now ONENESS, we are all ONE.
we all weave together the tapestry of life.together we are ONE consciousness. ONE THOUGHT!

Peace, Light and Love Always .......Sky Blue April Morning


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gkmail
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04/26/01 07:10 AM


Re: Religious controversy
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Hi, to EVERYONE !

Thank you, Andrew, RaeL,....

Every spiritual leaders, Jesus, Isis, Budda,...all said the same thing, seek within.

So, these days, much has been revealed what is 'within', especially with social science subjects such as psychology and sociology.

Freud, Gestalt, Transactional Analysis, clinical, are but aspects of psychology. We can say Jesus and Buddha know about the subconscious mind, and Freud came up with the terminologies.

The subject of ONENESS is highly interesting.

Congratulations to you who have gotten past duality.

Well, when I meditate, I was happy as ever. I felt unlimited creativity and inner peace at the same time. I lost track of time and space. Can anyone tell me if that is oneness already ?

On the issue of looking for God. I have given up and decided to take it easy. I figure it is better to let go rather than going after some empty words that doesn't mean a thing personally; God being one of those words. With this approach, at least I would not go overboard and create one when I failed to find one. At least I would not end up with a Sun/Rock God just to pacify my curiosity.

As long as I am peaceful and happy, I am quite willing to live with or without 'God'. Yeah, it is so good to get this 'God' thing behind my back.

Rael, you are right, I prefer oneness.

GK







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gkmail
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04/27/01 03:17 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Just to summarize our discussions so far, and for those who are in my previous position, a position of half-hearted loyalty to a religion that emphasize FAITH more than anything. Here is my newly found position:

THOSE WHO KNOW, WILL ALWAYS KNOW.
THOSE WHO BELIEVE, WILL KEEP ON WONDERING; UNTIL THEY KNOW.

My best wishes to those who prefer knowingness than faith.

GK





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