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chris
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04/22/00 04:38 PM


Religious controversy
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I do not even want to write this post, but Goddess Venus says I have to do it. The topic is very unpleasant, to say the least. I have only been given partial pieces of information by Goddess Venus. I have not been told how the area of religious controversy is going to unfold in the future. But based on what I know, we have all the ingredients in place for major controversy. It is not politically correct in many places to say what I am about to say. Goddess Venus says we are all going to be required to "see the movie soon"---seeing the previews now reduces the shock.
I do not know precisely what she means by this. I personally apologize if what I am about to say is offensive to some. I do not mean it to be so. I will also tell you that Goddess Venus is directing me specifically now as I type this (via mental telepathy) as to what to say and how to say it.

I would suspect that some others here have suffered some abuse for their beliefs. I know I have. I was raised as a Christian, but in the kind of Christianity that focused on how to improve one's own soul. I was never taught to believe that someone else was going to "hell" as a sinner because they were a Moslem, Jew, or even atheist, because they did not believe in Jesus. Unfortunately, we now have an ever growing religious movement of Christianity that advocates that anyone who does not believe in Jesus or a single God (male) is automatically in sin and destined for "hell". I personally have been told many vile things by some "Christians" because of my relaying of information from Goddess Venus. I can understand anyone being upset by what Goddess Venus has to say, as I have been upset by her. Unfortunately, relaying information or beliefs that contradict Christianity in any manner seems to now throw some individuals into a rage in which they feel justified in venting toward the other person. Please know that Goddess Venus says that venting rage by Christians (or any group) will not be allowed as ascension progresses. (ie Do not be in fear if you hold alternate beliefs to these absolutist Christian beliefs.)

Now the more unpleasant part. Goddess Venus has relayed to me information describing that the Illuminati (heads of the NWO---see my post on ascension) have essentially created all the worlds major religions, with the specific focus on a single male God creator in all the religions. The Bible and Christianity as such were designed as the ultimate tools of world domination. The Bible is actually a distortion of much "ancient history". There was once a true Jesus-like figure who was actually a military general, whom the Illuminati killed. The Illuminati, as fifth dimensional darkside Beings, have higher dimensional powers similar to those they attribute to Jesus in the Bible. The Illuminati's plans for world domination involve staging a "second coming" of a Jesus-like figure. Goddess Venus says that the Illuminati will not be allowed to do this.

Having been raised as a Christian, when Goddess Venus first led me to understand this, I was horrified. Those who have been more thoroughly indoctrinated into Christianity than I was must be going to find this like a nightmare.






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Starcrystal
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04/22/00 05:40 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Hello Chris,
Welcome to the forum. I must say that I too was raised in Christianity to believe anyone who did not believe in Jesus as stated totally in the bible was going to hell. I am afraid my relatives still believe this. Ten to eleven year ago I started waking up and seeing the true light. Actually the way I feel now is exactely how you wrote it. I know there are the dark ones who have come and re-written history through the book they call the bible. Wanting others to go against each other in the name of God. Just look at the crusades or the Native Americans. What have we become that we kill each other in the name of how we believe? It is too sad. Yes, I too feel the time is at hand when people must start waking up to what God and unconditional love truly is and means. I thank you for writing your post here.

Love and Light,
Starcrystal




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Lilacangel
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04/23/00 00:03 AM


Re: Religious controversy
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Thank you Chris for sharing the wisdom of Goddess Venus with us.
I also was brought up within a strict doctrine that used fear to control. I see now how much it retricted me in my spiritual growth.
My view is that we must all allow each other to be where it is we need to be at this time and respect each others views no matter how different they may be. Each must be allowed to accept their learning in their own time.
My personal beliefs after some years on this light path is that my "God" lies within and without and is a part of all. He/She is a "God" of unconditional love and acceptance who asks only that we take personal resposibility for self. It is something very precious and personal to me and I don't feel the need to convince others that my way is the only way as I know it is not.
However I can only say how grateful I am for the courage to step out of that control to meet and become the real me.
I commend you for your courage and dedication Chris to have drawn to you a guide such as Goddess Venus.

Peace and Blessings
Lilacangel




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diesel_02356
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09/04/00 10:43 PM


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MM,
My family is catholic and I am wiccan. I have been taught the wiccan way which tells us to respect all others and their beliefs whether ours or different. The fact that some groups try to scare my self or others with the threat of hell amuses me truly, for in my world Hell doesnt even exist. Be well my friend.
love and light




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gkmail
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04/14/01 01:21 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Hi, Chris and everyone

Great to hear all of you saying your own personal truth.

Chris, if you can get this message, I would lile to know how you eventually got over your fear.

Because I have a similiar fear myself, coming from a strict Christian background which led me nowhere spiritually.

The fight to overcome the Illuminati's control can be very fearful. Because I always gives people benefit of the doubt, including Christians. So, I framed myself up by ONE single question: "What if the Bible is right ?" Meaning contacting spirits will cause God's wrath, (old testament).

Anyone here care to comment on the bible's authenticity ?





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Joanne
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04/14/01 06:14 PM


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My dear Diesel;

You bring a good point in this. I too, have been raised as a Catholic, yet my heart wasn't right with it. I thought that I was wrong, and yes, bad for feeling that way, for being one with nature held more of a spiritual growth to me than being a Catholic. As I became an Adult, I saw that my ways were not that bad. Yet, still today, my family resents me for my beliefs, yes even learning the Wiccan way. I read a lot of books in retrospect with different religions, beliefs, and practices, yet, I come back to nature and being one with nature.

~~May the light shine upon you my dear friends~~
Joanne


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CarolynZ
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04/15/01 06:24 AM


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From the beginning in my being, I knew God to be both male and female. It's the only way to be balanced completely. One energy balances out the other and they need each other. I was raised in a Christian faith that brought me no where also. I started my own path in 1996. Have grown tremdously since then. Yin and Yang is female/male. Earth has positive and negative laylines. Where there is up there is also down, pretty plain Love, Carolyn

Knowledge is power, but first.... know thyself.


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Amethyst
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04/15/01 06:20 PM


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Oh dear... not even sure I should start off on one of my rambles here...LOL.... sitting on my hands.... not gonna do it..not gonna do it....LOL....

I could save myself alot of trouble and round up the links and post them here of 3 or 4 posts....LOL...

Love, light and tied hands...

purple]Amethyst

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Joanne
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04/15/01 06:43 PM


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Just don't sit on your injured hand Amethyst

~~May the light shine upon you my dear friends~~
Joanne


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Amethyst
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04/15/01 07:06 PM


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LOL Joanne.... it wouldn't bend right anyway....LOL...

Love, Light and Hugs...
Amethyst

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Joanne
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04/15/01 07:10 PM


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Hey I'm thinking of you! I want to see you at the gathering in tiptop shape!

~~May the light shine upon you my dear friends~~
Joanne


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CarolynZ
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04/15/01 11:38 PM


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Don't sit on your hands, let it out, speak your inner voice! Love, Carolyn

Knowledge is power, but first.... know thyself.


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Joanne
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04/16/01 02:34 AM


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Shine out, shout it out!

~~May the light shine upon you my dear friends~~
Joanne


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RaEl
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04/16/01 05:27 PM


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gkmail,
i read you post in another thread ,if you would like to discuss the Way chapters you can Private Mail me. or we can discuss it here. i have read the whole thing and i love it! feel free to ask questions
Love Rael

Peace, Light and Love Always .......Sky Blue April Morning


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gkmail
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04/16/01 06:23 PM
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Hi, RaEI

'The Way' website is mind-opening for me. Part of me is delighted in that finally, some of my suspicion about Christianity is confirmed.

The other part (playing devil's advocate) said, ' But the Bible had already predicted that....e.g. the bible said toward the end, there will be people who try to prevent 'end of the world' happening, or try to discredit the bible .....etc.) And whoever said the bible is wrong, is wrong ! (according to the bible)

Actually, as I write this, I am laughing at my own thinking. I just realized how ridiculous my devil's advocate is. (or the bible is)

Now, I am pondering the reason behind the large number of Christians in this world.

Indeed I have seen respectable people such as doctors, lawyers, scientists....you name it, becoming Christians, and become so proud of it. Very good references indeed.

Why ? (yes, I realize that this is about free-will and choices).

For me, it's family. It's fear. It's security (although I know nothing about the accuracy of the bible, but, just in case ....hmmm, 'better play safe', or risk-aversive type of thinking, which according to statistics, represent the majority).

Did you all make that blind leap of faith at some point in your life to arrive at where you are today ? Does it HAVE to be a blind leap ? Are you happier than before ?

I would be most grateful if any of you could share your experience, whether it be your own or someone you know of. I am particularly interested in what/who give you that courage to take that 'blind' leap of faith.

GK

















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Amethyst
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04/17/01 01:36 PM


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LOL Carolyn and Joanne... I've spoken out before so I'd just be repeating myself...LOL...and I do tend to go on a ramble when we get under this topic..LOL....

Yeah..yeah..yeah...I know, what's any different that any other ramble Amethyst....LOL

Love, Light and Hugs...
Amethyst

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Amethyst
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04/17/01 01:58 PM


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Hi GK....

There are so many inconsistencies in the Bible as well as (my ongoing saying)..."Which Bible are you referring to?" (Dang, I feel the ramble comin' on...LOL)... There are around 20 versions of the Bible today, each religion, each publisher placing their own twist on the interpretation...oh yes, it tis true my friend....

There are several things to ponder in the midst of it's accuracy and in the name of so called "religion"... first of all..."Religion" is a man made creation, not a God creation.,...and Religion was created for "power"... lets face it, wars have been fought in the name of "religion", but for what purpose??? God for God? Or control for control? Money, boundaries...etc.... If everyone believes in a higher being, then why must their be different religions? Why would people choose to find the differences in their beliefs instead of supporting their "sameness"? The answer is simple..."power"... Oh I believe there is truth in the Bible...but as I have said so many times, it is flawed by man... you have to also take into account the levelof the people back then... that many were uneducated, and so much of these 'stories" were told in a way they could understand...

I prefer to go by "history" and "historical" events... when I can compare historical events across the world.. I know that I am on to something... things such as, Jesus crucifixion..yes, he did exist, and he did hang on the cross... though there is much to be said about his "true" origin and his life as a child.... but, historically speaking, he has been mentioned in the Buddhist sutras, in the Hindu books.... in the Roman books...etc....This even did take place.... yet here's one to bake your noodle for ya... it is believed that he is actually buried in India.... in Indias "historical" books Jesus actually lived out his days in India, and his grave is there marked as so!...hmm...did he really rise from the dead??? Or, did he truly not die on the cross? Ya have to keep in mind that he was a "healer"... he could have very well walked out of that himself ya know.... but, anyway....I compare "history" to the "religious books" to find the truth.... and that's only because I want to "know" the truth.... I'm not looking to debunk the Bible.. I'm only looking for the truth as I said....

Another thing I am studying is the Dead Sea Scrolls as well as the Nag Hammadi.... these were actually left out of he bible by the Romans...or shall I say the catholics during the time of the Roman Empire...ya know why? Becasue Jesus did indeed talk of "reincarnation" and "light"..... and the essenes and the gnostics were killed for their beliefs in a feminine side of god.... ah yes... The Roman Empire believed that if such things were released, then they'd have no control over their people...I mean really, how cna you convince someone that if you do bad and go against their religion...do not follow all fo the rules of their religion, that the little man in the red suit and horns will take ya and damn you to hell if you believe in re-incarnation???? Ah ha... the picture comes a little more into focus....

Jesus was indeed and still is a very highly evolved spiritual.....ascended ... what ever you want to call him...he is all of that..... but I firmly believe his words and the meanings have been twisted... I believe he was trying to express what many of us are awakening to today....

Anyway... there....I said a little...LOL....

Love, Light and Hugs..
Amethyst

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 /_\ Life is but Water, the Soul is the Stream

Edited by Amethyst on 04/17/01 06:58 AM.




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MissLisa
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04/17/01 02:07 PM


Re: Religious controversy
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Dear gkmail,

First I would like to welcome you to the forum!! It is wonderful to see your posts.

Being a Catholic for 28 years and a "christian" for the following 10 after that... I can understand your postion. It is only in the last 3 months I have just considered myself a "spiritual being"... with no "religious" title or influance.

Personally, I have found that catholosism and christianity... have so much fear intertwined in their teachings.

When I started my "awakening" process... it was very difficult for me to understand what was happening... because my religious teachings were very deeply ingrained... and very much against what I was thought to beleive in.

Somewhere in the begining of this past Feb... the Blessed Mother came to me in a meditation... and reminded of the catholic communion prayer (as well as other christian releigions use this prayer) "Lord I am not worthy to recieve you... but only say the word and I shall be healed". It was in this that I was offered sooooo much understanding about "guilt", "unworthiness" and "fear"... all thought to me by religion... at that moment... I was asked to get rid of all that clouded teachings and believe from the heart... based on truth (provided by spirit).

My life has changed drastically since that time... and is filled with so much love, peace and acceptance and incredible clarity!!

My church has become my meditations... my truth is filled by spirit.

I wish you love and light in your search for your truth!!!
Lisa

Traveler, there is no path. Walking makes the path.


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gkmail
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04/17/01 02:13 PM
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Amethyst,

Much you felt, I felt. And I bet many others do. Our discussions here, I hope, will benefit others along similiar paths.

I am still reading the Way material suggested by RaEI.

The writer was asked by one of the DOMA (higher dimension beings) one day what she thought of Christianity. She replied, "If it were not for the Christians, Christianity would be one of the greatest things going."

Hmmmmm, when I recall my past encounters with stubborn, self-rightous religous believers, many a Christian in particular, I would remember the above statement !

Another one from the same author, "Few people have slain more innocent children of God, than the Christians."

I guess in the end, my conclusion for the day is; stubborn people carry their stubborness into the Church, and baptism doesn't necessary cleanse stubborness.

What does ? Hmmmmm, this is the big question of the coming century.....






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Amethyst
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04/17/01 03:07 PM


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Stubbornness is simply IMO "hanging onto and acting upon a belief system whether it be right or wrong"... and many of these people you speak of are believing and holdign onto something called "blind faith"... they are belieiving soemthing that they have been "told"... they have fallen into a field of dreams herded like cattle.... and for this they stand on their convictions...and will fight you to the end.... when in reality they have not experienced any of the spirituality themselves... have only been "told" of it...and that I find very sad... extremely sad.... denying yourself of the truth or proof of God's existence....

There's so much more to spirituality in my opinion than what the Bible and Religion teaches and preaches... a personal relationship to God and all of his creation... but many are denied that when they follow "blind faith".... I for one don't think God would wnat you to follow him "blindly"...he gave us all fo the tools to know of his existence.... and to feel him and his love in our hearts... and he gave us these things to use.... not to let lie dormant and ride on the coat tails of anothers beliefs....JMO anyway....

And I am Taurs(dont' knwo why this keeps comign up...LOL) and have been accused of beign stubborn..... and the difference is, I stand for what I know or believe to be true.... and yes, for this I can be stubborn... unless I experience soemthing different for myself that changes my opinion.... that's nto to say I don't listen to others...becasue I do... but I follow nothign blindly..... I truley dont; think that's being stubborn at all.... it's just a calculated....reasonable way to stand for what you believe.... but some still call me "stubborn"...LOL

Love, Light and hugs...
Amethyst

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