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Amethyst
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02/20/01 03:05 AM


Gnostic Christianity
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Gnostics were members of any one of the numerous mystical cults that exited alongside and within early Christianity, though roots far older, extending back into Egypt, Babylonia, Persia and Greece. Many Gnostics would have simply thought of themselves as Christians, and were looked upon as mystics and only labeled Gnostics by the more orthodox. Gnosis means knowledge but should not be confused with learning. It is a knowledge that is revealed through a mystical experience, and may be considered synonymous with "enlightenment".
Gnosticism arose in the Hellenistic Middle East, particularly Alexandria .. for those of you unaware fo Alexandria, it is in AFrica.. North of Egypt bordering the Mediterranean Sea..it is where Cleopatra lived while having an affair with Antony.... anyway.. The Gnositcs were thoroughly familiar with the Scriptures of Christianity and Judaism, Greek Philosophy, Hermeticism, and probably the religions of the East. They wrote gospels and epistles, combined lore and practices from many sources and left their mark on angeology. (Study of Angels) Perhaps because of the Gnostics' eclectic ways, orthodox Christians considered them to be sorcerers.

In the fourth century the Roman empire embraced orthodox Christianity and began to persecute the Gnostics. They became increasingly secretive. By the Middle Ages, many of their secrets appeared to have been lost. In 1945, a cache of Gnostic documents was discovered in Nag Hammadi in Egypt; it took more than twenty years for scholars to access, translate and begin to analyze them. Gnosticism began to enjoy the Reannaisance.

We can see now that Gnosticism incorporates two thousand years of philosophy and psychology. It fits well with New Age thought, expecially because it honors the divine female principle.

Because of its eclecticism, there is no organized, clear-cut statement of Gnosic beliefs. Generally, Gnostics had a negative view of the material world, and considered it under the influence of dark forces. They held as a central vision that the origin of humankind was inherently flawed by earthly elements, yet kept a spark of divinity, a "touch of light" from its exalted origin, and thus a breath of hope.

There is more to add here, and I will over time..

One of the reasons of my interest in the Dead Sea Scrolls.. Sylvia Browne ha soem other interesting thoughts and beliefs of being a Gnostic Christian that I will share in the near future...

Remember that as with any religion... there are different opinions and thoughts...points of view..I've not found a satisfying site on line yet..but still looking....

Love & Light..
[puplre]Amethyst

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Joanne
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02/20/01 03:12 AM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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Oh thank you Amethyst! Now, I know where my interest in the Egyptian times as well as in my learning of the culture Greece! It is a long story on that subject, just that I almost resided in Greece permanently, in fact it was Carpathos Island! Even today, most restaurant owners are Greek where I reside and look over me, protect me so to speak! It is kind of nice knowing that even after all these years, they still feel the need to watch over me as if I was one of their own! Can't wait to read more! Again, thank you!

~~May the light shine upon you~~


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Joanne
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02/20/01 03:27 AM


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Hey Amethyst! I found this page while surfing about Gnostic History. I would like to share it with you, I think you are right! It is something more closer to me than anything else!!!!!!

Gnostic History
Sometime during the third century a group of outcast Christians who called themselves Gnostics, a word that means knowledge or acquaintance, buried papyrus scrolls of their sacred documents so that the "orthodox" Christians would not destroy them. Those documents, discovered in 1946 at Nag Hammadi in Egypt, disclose a kind of Christianity that is different from the Catholic/Protestant religion based upon the "orthodox" New Testament, and reveal an approach that may, in fact, be as old if not older than what is now called Christianity.


This Gnostic Christianity invites people to seek within themselves a deeper sense of self that leads ultimately to the revelation that within each of us is a "True Self" that is a spark of divinity. Within this "True Self" God is known. In the Gnostic approach, the world is not viewed as a good place that was driven into sin by the acts of human beings, but rather is a place that lacks the fullness of love and moral sense that is at the heart of the divine. It is not so much that human beings are sinners, but that the world itself is deficient, and only when one touches their innermost "True Self" does serenity and love truly become known to each person. For Gnostic Christians, Jesus Christ is a revealer of this "True Self" that is divine, and leads people into an awakening of their true nature.


In the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas Jesus says: "...if you do not become acquainted with yourselves, then you are in poverty, and it is you who are the poverty." The core issue is--what do you know about you? After all, if you don't know yourself who you walk with everyday, how can you presume to know God who you have never seen or touched, and exists in ways that only your "True Self" can tell you. That is the essence of true spirituality - not just a religion!


Gnostic Christianity is not just the same old Christian concepts repackaged. It is an approach to spirituality that is radically different from the common Christianity that is in churches all around the country. Gnostic Christianity expands the Bible to include other Gospels such as The Gospel of Thomas, The Gospel of Truth, and The Gospel of Philip - each as old as the New Testament witness, but from a different perspective. The emphasis is not on doctrine or dogma, but rather on self-exploration and awakening oneself to a deeper spiritual reality.


If you have ever thought that perhaps religion has been more about control and power than about truth, then perhaps you are a "closet gnostic". Gnostic Christianity was up-rooted in the early centuries because it spoke against oppressive ecclesiastical forms and the dominant "atonement theology" that is practiced in "orthodox" Christianity. Today, just as almost two thousand years ago, Gnostic Christianity stands outside of Catholicism and all the various forms of Protestantism - evangelical, mainline, liberal and fundamentalism - as a resurrected voice that speaks of a different way, with beautiful and sacred writings that tell of a Christianity that may have been much closer to the heart of Jesus than anything that has been seen in many centuries.

the site's place was:

http://www.1gnostic.com/church.html

~~May the light shine upon you~~


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Amethyst
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02/20/01 03:34 AM


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I thought after reading that meditation that this might excite you ... There is a modern day "Gnostic Christian" who searches for the truth ... not led by blind faith but which prefers to experience God and all that is through their own enlightenment rather than be told "this is how it is because we as a religion say so"... so, I find myself I guess for all intent and purposes of a label a Gnostic Christian... You cna read a little more about it here under Sylvia's site...

http://www.sylvia.org

Enjoy Joanne....

Amethyst

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Joanne
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02/20/01 03:41 AM


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Thank you Amethyst! You are connected to me in a special way when you know what would excite me! lol!

Thank you for Sylvia's link, do you know that I have had it in my bookmarks for two years now? I have yet to read any of her books, which I do hope to in the near future. You see, my twin soul, read her book about life on the other side, and my twin soul did not want me to read this book, saying that it is fictatious.... I always wondered why.....

~~May the light shine upon you~~


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Beginner
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02/20/01 12:30 PM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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Dearest Amethyst and Joanne,

Pardon me for butting in but I have been interested in your discussion. I wanted to suggest a religious site that I have found of great comfort to me. http://www.dailyword.com It is based on the Unity Faith.

Basic Teachings of Unity Faith:

1) God is good and everywhere present.
2) The spirit of God lives within each person.
3) We create out life experience through our way of thinking.
4) There is power in affirmative power, which we believe increases our connection to God.
5) Knowledge of these spiritual principles is not enough, we must live them.

Unity says that true religious growth is a "do-it-youself" project.....One might describe Unity as a religious philosophy with an 'open end' seeking to find Gods truth in all of life.

This faith was founded by a woman. If you get a chance, please check out the web site.

Thanks for letting me put my two cents in. For I feel that Unity may very well be of Gnostic Christianity faith with modern day feelings. Please let me know what you think.

Blessing,

Beginner




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Amethyst
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02/20/01 02:16 PM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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Hey Joanne.. I dont' know how I did it, but I totally missed the post previous to my response to you in this thread last night...I guess perhaps while I was typing you ahd entered it and I hit post and then logged off before looking back.... tht is GREAT information..and I'll check the site out....sounds like it's more of what I have been looking for... some of them I came across semed kind of dark...with weird stuff on it..LOL...but this one looks great...thank you

AS far as sylvia...I guess you are aware of her psychic abilities... and most of what she writes about the other side has come from her guide Francine... but Sylvia is a very interesting person, I really enjoy her ...I'm not sure why your soul mate found it fictitious... but we all have a right to take from what we read what we agree with and leave what we don't agree with behind.... there are things that ring true to your soul..and things ya go "naaaah... I disagree with that"... Just approach everything you read unbiased...

I love this part "If you have ever thought that perhaps religion has been more about control and power than about truth, then perhaps you are a "closet gnostic". Gnostic Christianity was up-rooted in the early centuries because it spoke against oppressive ecclesiastical forms and the dominant "atonement theology" that is practiced in "orthodox" Christianity. Today, just as almost two thousand years ago, Gnostic Christianity stands outside of Catholicism and all the various forms of Protestantism - evangelical, mainline, liberal and fundamentalism - as a resurrected voice that speaks of a different way, with beautiful and sacred writings that tell of a Christianity that may have been much closer to the heart of Jesus than anything that has been seen in many centuries. "

So true...there is another thread under this board that GermanSpirit and I discussed some of these things... I can't remember the name of the thread, but Im sure it's only a couple below this one... with the, oh wait, I think it's called "is channeling true"... anyone... you amy find that thread interesting too

I'm glad it interested you... have fun and enjoy...

Thanx again for the link...
Amethyst



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Amethyst
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02/20/01 02:21 PM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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Hi Beginner... I agree, it very much sounds like it could be founded upon Gnostic Christianity.... I'll take a look at it too...thank you for sharing...and hey, you're never buttin' in ...

Thanx again...
Amethyst

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Joanne
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02/21/01 01:08 AM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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My dearest Beginner;

Never, ever think you are "butting in" for this is a place for all to share their thoughts, their ideas, their experiences.

thank you for sharing this site, I will definitely go check it out! Blessings to you my friend...

~~May the light shine upon you~~


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MissLisa
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02/21/01 01:12 PM


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Wow, how did I miss this thread? This is wonderful information!! I agree that so many religions try to control... with fear! Perhaps I am a closet Gnostic !! I have spent my entire life challenging (parts of) the bible and wondering who gave a priest the power to forgive for God? Is it enough for me to go into confession and say I did this and 10 Hail Marys is all it takes to wipe away the sin? No, I think not,it is when I confess with my heart, up to God my sorrow, then I will be forgiven. Well this is a whole nother rampage I could get started on, but won't.

Thank you very much amethyst and joanne for shring the Gnostic releigion, I look forward to learning it, and from it!!! With love and light, Lisa

"For once unaffraid... I can go where life leads me... I'm not alone anymore!!!"



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Joanne
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02/21/01 01:17 PM


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My dearest lisa;

Don't worry, I'm a closet Gnostic as well, I just didn't know it! I used to say for the longest time, that being a catholic did not feel right, like it was phoney, now, after finding out about the Gnostic Christianity, I feel more fulfilled! I am now looking to grasp more info as I look into this! Hey, Lisa, how are things going by the way? I missed ya!

~~May the light shine upon you~~


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CarolynZ
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03/13/01 04:06 PM


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Lisa, I'm a Gnostic Christian! I just never knew there was a name for someone like me. Wow.




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Beginner
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03/13/01 06:28 PM


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CarolynZ and MissLisa,

It's kind of empowering to finally have a title for your faith. I know I felt this way when I realized that Amethyst and Joanne were actually conveying the same feelings I have had for so long.

This spiritual journey for understanding is so long and winding. Yet I wouldn't rush it for a moment. I discover more beauty every step of the way.

Blessings,

Beginner




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Amethyst
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03/13/01 07:23 PM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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LOL... it does feel good to have a "label" doesn't it???... I was explaining this to some friends not so long ago and they just stared at me like a deer in headlights.... lol... Though I could see it making sense to them... I'm on a mission now to learn all I can about the Nag Hammadi and the Dead Sea Scrolls...

Something to keep in mind is that Catholicism had much to gain by controlling people through religion, or I guess I should say "The Roman Empire" did... if people had thought that reincarnation existed it would have been hard to convince people that if they did not do as the churches requested that they'd be damned to hell... so there are many reasons I am learning that these were left out of the bible, even down to the attitude toward women at that time... it is my quest to understand, so understand I shall... I'll pass on anything I find of importance, please anyone else feel free to do the same...

Love & Light...
Amethyst

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Beginner
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03/13/01 10:16 PM


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Dear Amethyst and anyone else wanting to find/share more information on this subject.

http://www.childpastlives.org

Moonchild recommended this site to me in regards to my own children. What I found in the forum is a fountain of information. It's not all related to just children or reincarnation. I don't want to say more, because it would be up to you to discover if this site is right for you.

Hope you have a chance to check it out. It has been most insightful for me.

Blessings,

Beginner




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Joanne
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03/14/01 03:16 AM


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Dear Beginner;

Thanks for the link, I will definitely check this out! It seems to be very interesting which I want to read in regards of my son Nicholas.

~~May the light shine upon you~~


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Amethyst
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03/14/01 03:43 PM


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Thanx Beginner... I'll check it out...it looks very interesting....

Love & Light...
Amethyst

Life is but Water, the Soul is the Stream


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Leigh
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03/15/01 08:34 PM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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Hi all,

I love this thread. Thanks for all this great info and the stuff over in the book section on the Dead Sea scrolls.

I read this just as I was thinking of tracking a book that I saved the review from for 6 years.

The Author was Kyriacos Markiedes, a Sociology Professor from Orano ME. He wrote a series of books about western mysticism. The review is about his latest (six years ago) work where he visits an island in Greece called Mt Athos. The book is titled "Riding With the Lion", pub by Viking in 1995. The island it speaks of has remained a sacred place since 1045AD. There, monks of the 20 monasteries continue practicing Christian mysticism that has survived relatively unchanged for 1,000 years.

A short quote from the book is provided by Richard Leviton in his book review in EarthStar Aug/Sept 1995 "Markides Rides the Lion on Mt. Athos.

"The esoteric part of the Church is the body of teachings and practices that aim at contacting the Christ Logos within and discovering inner worlds.” It is the experiential path to union with God, the 'Kingdom of Heaven' which is within us."

It is curious that such information remains secret and inaccessible to most of the world. Blocked, hidden or disguised by the priests of the time, or those who came after. I would like to believe that it is a case of "When the student is ready, the teacher will come." It is not that I don't get righteously indignant about the idea that tools to know God/Unity are being kept from me, it is that recognize that if I am capable of righteous indignity, I am probably also not ready to handle the power they would imbue me with.

I would like to think that a God of compassion, rather than a disinterested one is watching the Grand Scheme here. And that all things are set up and timed just right for Souls to learn what it needs to learn.

Delores Cannon's book "Jesus and the Essences" based on reports from a person's past-life rememberces during hypnotic trance talks about a group called the "Watchers". These "Watchers" which he was forbiden to talk about seemed to be of another race, or remarkably different from humanity. They too seemed to feel that humanity was inherently flawed and that some tools that were used in the past, such as flying machines, had to be hidden away in caves so that they would not be used for war again. These same "Watchers" founded the mystery school and made transformational tools available to those of humanity who were ready to receive and handle them.

There also seems to be a safety valve of sorts going on in humans. That is that many people are not interested or resistant to mystical experience and exploration. I believe they remain in a stage of growth almost completely ignorant to the message or vibration of any other until they have reached a certain threshold of soul learning or vibration. I myself find that I am now doing things, like psychic readings, channeling, healing, and talking to spirits etc, soul travel that I would have ridiculed in the past.

So I believe that those who are resistant to having ancient truth about Christianity and other such information escaping to the public are acting, not only in there best interests, but with the highest degree of compassion and wisdom their fear laden hearts can muster.

And if this is a set up of a compassionate God, perhaps the difficulties are there so that we develop our spiritual skills to the degree that we do not need the information in physical form, or so we can learn to astral travel so well we can visit these places.

I have come to take this perspective, not because I like it very much, but because it the opposite feels like more suffering.

Well I wrote enough.

Love and Light,

Quat6 (Leigh)





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Beginner
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03/16/01 01:08 AM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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Dear Leigh,

I'm still sitting here with my mouth open. What you have said here feels so strong and so right. I know I must read it several times before I can comment any further.

I do think that maybe we should ask Gerrit to move this thread and give it it's own title If that is possible). Many people need to read this and I'm afraid that seekers may not find it here.


Blessings,

Beginner

Edited by Beginner on 03/15/01 07:08 PM.




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Leigh
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03/16/01 01:51 AM


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WOW. Thanks.

I wouldn't mind if that happened. I don't know how to approach him on that.

I also have been thinking of staring a thread on the evolution or stages of compassion something like that. I am open to suggestions.

Love and Light,

Quat6 (Leigh)




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Amethyst
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03/16/01 04:28 PM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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Hi Leigh...I truly enjoyed this.... I printed it off to keep for reference...thanx bunches for the info...


Love & Light...
Amethyst

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Amethyst
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03/19/01 10:53 PM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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Hey guys!!! All of you into the Gnostic Christianity search...I picked up 2 books today.. I'll let ya'll know what I think of them...but they are: "Gnosis..The Nature and History of Gnosticism" by Kurt Rudolph..and the othe is "Jung and the Lost Gospels..Insights into The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi Library" by Stephan Hoeller...

Love, Light and a Smile...

Amethyst

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Joanne
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03/20/01 00:03 AM


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Dear Amethyst;

You must keep us posted with any new insights! You know I'm definitely there with ya!

~~May the light shine upon you~~


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Beginner
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03/20/01 03:09 AM


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Hey Lady,

Thanks for sharing what you have found. I look forward to hearing your views. Another site that I visit also refers to the Nag Hammadi. They use it as a reference along with other books. They seem to be understanding and loving much of what they read. I hope you do the same.

I already plan to purchase some of the books you, Leigh, and others have mentioned, but I must wait a little while longer....At this moment in my life, the time is not right for me to start a serious study.

Therefore, I do look forward to hearing what you have to say. And hopefully my time will arrive and we can share opinions and thoughts.

Thank you and Blessings,

Beginner




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gkmail
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04/27/01 03:08 PM


Re: Gnostic Christianity
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Hello, everyone

Just read a comment on religion which I can't resist putting up for sharing.

THOSE WHO KNOW, WILL ALWAYS KNOW.
THOSE WHO BELIEVE, WILL ALWAYS WONDER.

The trick is to switch from believing to knowing !

GK





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Kulstor
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04/30/01 00:51 AM


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It is interesting how far back some of what folks call new age actually does go.




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Amethyst
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04/30/01 05:13 PM


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Right you are Kulstor...and I will share some more of my findings concerning this in the near future...(anyone ahve access to a time machine?..)LOL

Love & Light..
Amethyst

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Joanne
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05/01/01 01:46 AM


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It would be great to have a time machine, yet very tempting for some to make altercations.. which could make drastic changes in the present and future.

~~May the love & light shine upon you my dear Brothers & Sisters~~
Joanne


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