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gkmail
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07/18/01 10:25 AM


Christianity and Communism - much similarities
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I was discussing religion and politics with friends over lunch and it suddenly occur to me that Christianity and Communism are very much alike in certain ways.

Both appeal to the the poor, and condemn the rich. The Bible explicity stated that rich men entering heaven is as difficult as a camel going through the eye of a needle. And communism said capitalists reaped off poor folks. Both 'hate' rich folks.

Imagine the appeal to poor people. You can be as lazy as you want, just be nice and after you are dead, you get to heaven whereas the wealthy bastards end up in hell. Isn't it great if you are poor, the almighty 'God' is on your side against the rich ? All you have to do is believe, and that is not that difficult, is it ?

Quite clever if you want to overthrow the authority, isn't it ? Even more clever would be, deny that you are doing this by saying stuff like, 'I am of no threat to you' 'My kingdom is up there' ? Whether it is up there or not, nobody knows until they are dead. (And do you ever get an IDD call from Christians friends confirming their beliefs ?)

Anyway, for sure, the guy got support from the mass, just like Fa Lun Gong. Who knows what exactly is in the guy's mind except himself ? Did the leaders of USA ALL truly believe in God, or did they get baptized to win the votes of Christians since they are the majority religion ? If one day Buddhism becomes the dominant religion in USA, would the leaders switch their religion to Buddhism ? Only the person in question know and only time will tell with the second question.

Hmmmm, I am beginning to think if Karl Marx stole some of his ideas off the bible.

And yes, Christians call each other brothers and sisters. Commies call each other comrades..... both parties define the bad guys and then go after them with swords (past) and missiles (today).

Just a thought or two.....

GK






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laloba
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07/18/01 03:58 PM


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Have not seen you around much lately GK.........Nice to see you again............and with such gusto!..........Holy cow! Your going to get some brains working now................wew!

Blessings of joy
Laloba




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gkmail
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07/19/01 04:10 AM


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Hi Labola,

Busy with work these days. Balancing the material side ....lol

Hope everyone is well. I actually visit the site now and then and found many good articles.

Keep sharing your thoughts too !

GK




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Lucy
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11/16/01 00:02 AM


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I know this was posted a long time ago but I thought Id bring the topic bck up again.
First I should say I agree with you in all the negative things these 2 groups represent. But I have to say if you look at it in a simple way like the whole idea of it....not the way it is, but the idea. ( I guess this is my way of following my plan to take something positive out of everything) First I would say that communism could really teach u a thing or two, as far as everyone being an equal (and i know this is a real stretch here, and very far from the truth) could be a positive thing. Success is pushed so much today, and in a way that the more money you make the more successful you are.....when really a persons success should be measured by them. If I am happy, I do a good job raising my son, am considerate to other people, live with a positive attitude, and touch another persons life, I would say that I am successful. And I feel that if this were a more organized thing and little more fair it could change the way a lot of people look at things.. things might not be such a competition...there might be less jealousy...less ex wives taking there hubby for everything he's got...instead of bringing home your work or traveling all the time for your oh so important job, you might stay home and spend some more time with your wife and kids...maybe you wouldnt get so mad if someone crashed into your brand new lexus(cuz you wouldnt have one! ...maybe less people would marry for money...maybe you would appreciat the roof over your head, the food on your table...the list goes on. And YES.. I do know this world is not ready for something like this and I could list more negatives but I wont even go there!!!
And since this is already so long I wont say much about christianity except they have good intentions but there ego is bigger.
Sorry i rambled on!
Love, Amy




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gkmail
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11/16/01 04:23 AM


Re: Christianity and Communism - much similarities
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Lucy,

I can't agree more with what you said.

Communism, I was told by a young but very talented mainland Chinese, is a very romantic idea. I was surprised by his choice of word - romantic.

But as I reflect, he was quite right.

Christians, can be very romantic about their version of their 'god', and I bet the same with believers of other religion.

The love of some higher ideals plus the dissatisfaction of the many negative aspects of life, may be the basic, underlying thrust that generate the need to believe a higher power, to alleviate the pains and agonies of life.

Yes, balancing the various aspects of life is indeed tricky, very tricky. A very spiritually evolved friend who is a professional medium shared the same opinion.

I love your last sentence '....they have good intentions but their ego is bigger' Certainly true in my experience with these folks.

Out of curosity, what is your view on 'Why are we here on this planet ?'

Seeker






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Lucy
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11/16/01 06:30 PM


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Now why do you have to go asking me a question like that!! LOL -- to be honest I dont quite know exactly yet....but here is what I have so far:
By the way this may be subject to change once I contemplate it a little more. I am reading a book Conversations with God and I took one litte thing out of there that really made sense..."Life (as you call it) is an opportunity for you to know experientially what you already know conceptually"..."You need merely remember what you already know and act on it." -- so I believe we live as many lives as it takes to learn what it is we are looking to learn -- probably until you reach the highest spiritual level which I wonder what that is on earth? -- I actually want to put a question out right now -- If you can recall your past lives, were you spiritually awakened in more than one life time? I just wonder if once you remember on earth if thats it or if you need to go even further -- healing yourself completly of a disease with just a thought -- or will we ever get that good? That brings me to another point, Our ego -- I do believe it could go that far, if we could completly control our ego.
And one more question will everyone eventually be "awakened" in one of there lives??? What if they dont? Even if they are not a so called dark entity.

Do you see how my mind is working gkmail? You ask what seems to be a simple question and I try to respond but end up responding with questions of my own! Forgive me for rambling!!!!
Love, Amy




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gkmail
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11/16/01 06:48 PM


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Lucy,

You ARE exploring !

The COG series is an excellent and thought provoking series. Wait till you finish Friendship with God. The idea of divine dichotomy is so fascinating too. And aliens !

On past lives, the ONE book that I consider a MUST READ is Dr. Brian Weiss's book titled 'Many Lives, Many Masters', he has written four. His credentials are beyond questions, by the way.

Indeed, I have met highly evolved people who can tell me my past lives. I cross-checked the information with different people, by the way. And they tallied.

To be able to do this on your own, well, for me, it is by going into hypnotic regression. No, you never become a zombie, you are always FULLY conscious and you can STOP at ANY POINT of time. It is somewhat like deep relaxation, or meditation if you like to call it that.

The Weiss's book has instructions on how to do it and it is very powerful, to me.

By the way, don't worry too much about dark entities.

It is all about vibratory levels or planes. If there is one rule I have found to be true, it is 'likes attract likes'.

Only love is real.

(GK)




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Renato
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12/03/01 07:39 PM


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Dear GK,

Most scholars that study Mark 10:25 give a very meaningful interpretation to it, which has nothing to do with condemning the rich.

“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man, that trusts in riches, or inclines to do so, to enter into the kingdom of God.”

They argue that there must have been some kind of gate to Jerusalem called or known by the name of “the needle’s eye” due to its straitness. The straitness of the gate would be such that a camel would only be able to pass through it if it were unloaded. The lesson, therefore, was that unless the rich man is willing to part with the burden of his worldly wealth, and dedicate first to his spiritual growth, he will not succeed in entering the strait gate.

All those that dedicate to the perfection quest know that wealth is the most difficult temptation against spiritual growth. Being rich, a person feels all powerful and feels no need to ask for God’s help unless he or she is suddenly struck by a lethal illness.

Much Peace,

Renato





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CarolynZ
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12/03/01 07:45 PM


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Renato you spoke volumes just then. In the same aspect, a person who fills spiritually "full" has no or little desire for monetary wealth and power associated with money and the accumulation of "stuff". Because it just isn't important compared to the feeling of closeness with God. Thank you. Love,Carolyn

The truth lies just beyond your eyesight.


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gkmail
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12/05/01 07:18 AM


Re: Christianity and Communism - much similarities
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Hi, Carolyn,

I think the key lies in the word 'Balance'.

We do have a physical body here and it is our job to look after it before we depart from this dimension. (I am referring to adults here).

We also have a soul who sees to it that we experience the events that earth along with its inhibitants has to offer.

Body, Mind and Spirit, let's strive to maintain a proper balance among the three.

GK


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gkmail
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12/05/01 07:31 AM


Re: Christianity and Communism - much similarities
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Dear Renato,

Some verses on riches from the bible :

Matthew 19
23
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 18
25
Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Proverbs 11
28
Whoever trusts in his riches will fall, but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf.

Proverbs 18
23
A poor man pleads for mercy, but a rich man answers harshly

Ecclesiastes 10
6
Fools are put in many high positions, while the rich occupy the low ones.

And on communism, I just have to wonder if Karl Marx got his idea from the below :

James 2
6
But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court?

GK




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Lpriyalife
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12/05/01 02:30 PM


Re: Christianity and Communism - much similarities
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Ok..Here are my two cents..for what it is worth.

"Rich" is kind of a subjective term. Who decides what "rich" is??

I think when a lot of those things were written in the bible...There WAS a lot of "wealthy" overpowering the poor...Also it was the wealthy that controlled the churches and the money...basically they acted like slumlords and weren't very nice.

Now only in MY opinion just so I don't get into trouble for saying this...One of the reasons I have stopped going to "church" (I believe church is in your heart) is because I HATE being asked for money five or six times in an hour...I want feel closer to God..NOT guilty for the amount I am able to put in the offering plate!

Rich..is another word entirely. I can have NO money what-so-ever..and be RICH!! I think we should all strive to be RICH!

I think I pulled and "Amethyst" and rambled here! haha!

He who laughs.....lasts!

Love and Light,
Lori


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Renato
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12/05/01 02:33 PM


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Dear GK,

As I said, wealth is a very dangerous trap. A spirit that reincarnates in a wealthy family or which becomes rich during its current life has a strong tendency to see itself as a powerful god, able to do anything without caring for the feelings of others and without being criticized or punished for its actions. There are certainly exceptions, but is obvious that, being poor, an incarnate spirit will naturally see itself as powerless and easily conclude that it is easier to survive in peace respecting other people. A poor person, having little money to pay for physicians and medicine, will also turn itself easier to God asking for help, making its evolution path easier. On the other hand, being a dangerous trap, wealth is also an important proof. Whoever succeeds in spiritually evolving while being rich certainly reaches a very important goal, which every one will have to reach one day.

Lord Jesus was just stating a reality when He said those sentences. He was not condemning rich people but rather stating the dangers of being rich and only trusting wealth.

Theoretical communism talks about equal conditions and rights for everyone. In that sense, it was certainly similar to Lord Jesus’ teachings. Nevertheless, Lord Jesus never taught or supported struggle among social classes as a means to obtain equal conditions. Instead of social struggle Lord Jesus taught unconditional love.

Much Peace,

Renato




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gkmail
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12/05/01 03:07 PM


Re: Christianity and Communism - much similarities
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Dear Renato,

The idea of extremities underlies our topic. Personally, extremities in any form, is dangerous to me. Weath is but one form. I often say, if you drink water non-stop 24 hours, you would have a kidney failure pretty sonn.

In terms of weath, extreme richness and poorness would probably be equally severe a test to any soul who choose this experience.

How many robbed because of poverty ? At the same time, how many buy human dignity with their monies ?

I say, both of the above flunk the money test.

As I said before, balance, is the key. One friend's remark on financial richness is, 'Let me have enough so that I won't have to rob or steal, but not so much that I am tempted to abuse.' Consider he was only 25 when he said that, I have a great deal of respect for such a wise comment from someone his age.

Seeker




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diesel_02356
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12/05/01 03:50 PM


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MM Renato,
We have not often seen eye to eye on posts we have both answered, but here I believe you are in the right. I am not a Christian as you know, but the two of these couldn't be any any different. This may sound harsh, but only to a blind and death man of the soul could these seem similar. May your light always shine brightly.
love and light




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gkmail
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12/05/01 04:02 PM


Re: Christianity and Communism - much similarities
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Lpriyalife,

Thanks for the comments. I share your views too.

The churches these days, especially the catholic, have so much money and assets that some said the pope is one of the richest man on earth.

And priests were selling 'redemption coupons' to rich men by telling them they could end up in heaven by buying those coupons. The priests did that as part of their fund raising activities to build the St. Peter's Cathedral when they found they did not have enough monies.

I was told that some of the descendants of those rich folks are still fighting in court with the catholic church over their ancestors' properties.

To be fair, these people who live on other people's need to believe can be found in any religion.

GK


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gkmail
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12/05/01 04:12 PM


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diesel,

Resorting to the ancient tactics of name-calling ?

GK





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diesel_02356
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12/05/01 04:23 PM


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MM GK,
If what you called name calling is bad what do you call comparing some ones faith towards something as wrong as comunism. Believe what you will, but leave others to believe what they want without knowingly comparing their faith to something that would upset them. You openly tried to upset thos who are christians. Yes name calling is wrong thats why I said that this might be harsh, but you never took into consideration the feelings of the christians now did you. May your light always shine brightly.
love and light
Wisdom is earned not granted




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gkmail
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12/05/01 04:45 PM


Re: Christianity and Communism - much similarities
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diesel,

[.....something as wrong as comunism]

Looks like we have a good example of prejudices here.

By the way, who are you representating ? 'others/them/christians/yourself' ?
How do you know christians have problems with communism ? Especially when you are not one ?

GK




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diesel_02356
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12/05/01 04:57 PM


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MM GK'
Prejudice you've got to be kidding. The right to offer ones opinion is not predujice nor did I say you were predujice. I said that you knowingly said something that would be hurtful to christians. yes I am not a christian I am Wiccan, but many friends of mine are christian and were in disbelief when I spoke to them about your comparison. It looks like to me you are pretty much just someone who writes something hoping for nothing more than conflict. I do believe that communism doesnt work at least this is one strong opinion from the worlds history. I do believe that most who live in a comminist society are not given the choices any living creature deserves. You try and have a good day andenjoy life to the fullest. may your light always shine brightly.
love and light




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