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AaronBenjamin
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Hi, I opened a letter of the Lubavitcher Rebbe recently that was talking about the Torah's mitzvah / commandment not to murder. I think the Rebbe's letter was encouraging to pass on the message but I am not sure.

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I just opened another letter of the Rebbe in which he was talking about the desecration of the Sabbath in public etc.

Unfortunately I am not able to keep the Shabbat at this time due to my circumstances, or at least this is my perception. Hopefully one day I will be healed from my illness and be off medications and be able to keep the Sabbath properly if that is what G*d will want, or maybe there will no longer be an obligation to keep the Sabbath when the redemption comes, I am not sure.

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In the Torah it says that spilling one's seed is like murder as well. I have taken upon myself to not spill seed G*d willing in general. I sometimes (often) arouse myself to feel temptation etc., but I stop arousing myself before any seed comes out, out of respect for the Torah etc.

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Hi AaronBenjamin, The basis of all Religions is technically the same. Thou shall not Kill. I admire your Faith in the Torah. Though like the Bible, I wouldn't take everything it says literally.


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Hi, there is a saying in the Torah that Scripture does not go out from its literal meaning. Can you give an example of what you mean when you say not to take everything literally? I can think of one example for you now that I think of it, it says "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" however the Oral Torah explains that this means monetary compensation rather than an actual eye or tooth etc. Lets hope that in general we will not have to take the negative things we read and think about literally, especially if the Mashiach comes soon etc.

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I just mean that all Religious Texts, were written down thousands of years ago, so who really knows how accurate they are?


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Hi, the Orthodox Jewish belief is that the Written Torah that we have today is exactly the same as it was when it was originally given to Moses on Mount Sinai, letter for letter. According to Jewish law, if a Torah scroll has one letter not copied correctly, the entire Torah scroll is not kosher (invalid). The cost of purchasing a Torah scroll is also very expensive, which is another reason that much care and effort are invested in the process of producing one properly.

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Even if the text is exactly the same as it was thousands of years ago it does not mean that we attribute the same meaning to it.


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Can you give an example to illustrate what you may be referring to?

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HI AaronBenjamin,

Our consciousness has expanded over two thousand years.

We only learned by being taught back then because we were primitive in consciousness, since then we have learned to look within for the answers. Our consciousness has expanded.

This, of course, is my own personal opinion.

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Hi Cheeneka, I hear what you are saying, but do you think that looking within will always provide the right answer? Sometimes people have impulses or drives that go in the wrong direction, in Judaism it is taught that the Torah helps keep us on the straight path, when we may not know which way to go, without the Torah's guidance.

I agree with you that looking within is also important though.

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I'm not sure on the whole we have advanced, I believe we have fallen deeper into darkness. After all their have been multiple developed civilisations, the Mayans, Lumeria, and who built the pyramids? God knows it wasn't us, we can't even build a small one.

Very few souls have advance from my understanding and if we had we wouldn't have all this depravity on this planet.

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Edited by Balance888 on 12/07/14 09:49 PM.




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If a person is not on the level of a complete tzadik, completely righteous etc. then I don't think they can trust themself to always make the right decisions just by listening to their own inner voice, since they are still ruled at least in part by their evil inclination. The Lubavitcher Rebbe also said that in our generation we are like midgets standing on the shoulders of giants. In other words even though the previous generations were on a higher spiritual level than us individually, however we are on a higher level in a way since we are standing on top of their accomplishments as well as our own.

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Edited by AaronBenjamin on 12/08/14 01:06 AM.




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I guess I will try to avoid arousing myself as well. Once you start it can become too tempting, it probably will need to be avoided entirely.

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Re: do not murder
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On a similar topic I sometimes watch videos on the computer of women lifting men. For some reason I find this attractive. Is this wrong for me to do? Or do you think I should not worry about it?

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Re: do not murder
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I don't know what you mean by lifting men, but I don't think it's wrong ,unless it's an obsession.


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how would you define an obsession?

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I should probably avoid looking at those types of videos as well. It seems to me that I am just arousing and tempting the evil inclination and it is probably not something I should be doing. It is not so easy but I should probably practice abstinence.

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Re: do not murder
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I am a bit troubled by this. On the one hand, I don't want to go too far and when one "flirts with the evil inclination" it can tend to go too far sometimes, however on the other hand, I don't believe the evil inclination was created in order to be negated. I believe the Torah teaches that it is meant to be harnessed and directed in the right direction, as in the saying 'curb your enthusiasm'. So I am a bit at a loss what to do with myself since on the one hand I don't want to negate my evil inclination while on the other hand I don't want it to cause me to go too far (in the wrong direction) etc.

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Edited by AaronBenjamin on 12/16/14 01:55 AM.




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how would you define an obsession?

An obsession is anything you focus all your intentions on.


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