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Bhavana
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Re: Jesus. Man or ghost?
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Christ without a doubt was a man and grew in understanding with the One God. He clearly understood that mankind and the material world was only the body of God's soul. He reached out and touched people with that understanding. He tried to free us from ourselves and our hierarchies by giving us an example. He understood love...pure, unconditional love.


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Welcome Bhavana, I agree with what you said.


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Soffty
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I have talked with quite a few people who have no belief in the Bible at all. That goes for Jesus as well. Thing is, I suspect that they would also have no belief in electricity.

What if we had everything laid out before us on a table? 90% of all people will fail to understand. Christian churches display this figure to also be 90%...those who fail to believe.

The answers are all there for anyone who wants them. They have been there for 100 years that I know of. Go back far enough, and they have been there for 50,000 years.

We just have to look with eyes open, and that means taking responsibility for our actions, not blaming others, and quit making excuses. We have nothing to lose except our weaknesses...if that is our choice.

Or, we can embrace our ego and continue our inner struggle...

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I have been taking 3 huge pills a day for several months now of Depakote for seizures, and they apparently work well but hinge on whether or not I smoke marijuana.

If I do anything I want, or take no pills, I have a seizure every three weeks and it is bad. But, I have been taking my pills and I am not smoking, and I don't do any drugs or drink. I never have been much of a drugger or drinker the last 30 years.

This is what my neurologist told me I would have to do if I wanted to hang around long. I would have to be the best I can be and finish my business in this life.

I didn't think I was capable of writing anymore due to the seizures, so I threw my last one together in order to wrap it up. But now, my seizures have changed (due to the medication) to where I am semi-conscious and I am living another life somewhere. When I wake up it takes me a half day to find myself.

But then I seem to be restored back to a state of where I care again. Where life has value and words have meaning. Where carrying my backpacks around town continues to be, still, my daily routine.

The people look at me and think about how crazy I am and there are rumors about me being a writer of some sort. All because I packed up bags and started walking. And the occasional person who cares.

Me standing up for truth with my words and actions scares people at their core. The women look at me and think about whether or not I have money. That is all what they want...a man with money.

The girls look at me and dream of an older man with integrity and strength. Who makes them know love and life. With a touch of the hand. A man they can hold on to.

The policeman looks at me with half of the force alongside and wonders if the writing of a crazy man is going to have him out of a job. Fitting into society is his job.

The mothers on their doorsteps are afraid of me and protect their children.

The homeless people, complete with homosexuals, drug addicts, alcoholics, and misfits, judge me harshly. I am a crazy man carrying my gear and I must think I am better than others to work so hard. They know I have severe brain damage.

I make the homeless look pathetic in my opinion, and I am doing a great job in my head. All I am doing is standing up for truth against the most powerful and evil men on this planet...the organized crime of this United States who employs our government and the population.

We are all going to have an ego choice that defends our insanity. Materialism is our choice. Maybe if we have Jesus with his pure unconditional love we will then have the power to see truth. Pure unconditional love...heck all we have to do is pick up our gear and start walking, if we are able. That is a statement that scares people at their core.

Throw in a spirituality based on the society influenced religion called Christianity, which has truth deep at its core but is modified to keep the machine rolling, we have materialism and there is no love anymore...no love at all. Just a heavy weight of materialism ruining our power, satisfying our lies and addictions.

We are all afraid of facing ourselves. We have a hard core of fear, and call it love. This is the current definition of humanity. This is the reality of our spirituality, and truth has little value. What we have is fear, painted with coat after coat of a forced protection from truth called ego. And a mirror with a message. And a choice.

In our very ancient past we had a spiritruality based on truth and love. Jesus carried evidence of that, as well as Hitler. The decision we are actually faced with now...do we care about humanity? Or are we simply addicted to our ego and cannot/refuse to stand up for anything that requires effort? When are we suppposed to care? The answer is and always has been there...truth.

In the past, I would wake up after having a seizure and my body would have some sort of scar. I would not have been conscious at all during the seizure. My seizures now have me living in a semi-conscious situation where the love is not there. What I experience in this new seizure is the reality of myself. But I have no idea where I am and I have no control over my actions. I am just watching.

I am now just starting to make an effort to learn the new seizures, but it looks like a long-term goal with a short-term reality.

When I walk I get tired, and I stop and rest. "My seizures cannot stop me today". The Feds aren't going to work any harder looking bad than they have to, and truth doesn't sit very well right now on their platter. I live on almost $800/month and that seems pretty doggone easy if I quit giving it away.

And back to Jesus, the stories of Him and his followers have value no matter how we view them. There is enough truth so that Christianity has survived this long, and is now ready for a change.

What we are waiting for now is a new leader. And believe it or not, a leader of Christianity. Anyone has the ability, and yet, when I am having my latest seizures all I can do is watch. Watch the reality of truth. Christianity actually does have the power to change the world. That is mainly because what we want is truth, and hope, and love. And the ability and right to share.

It is nice to consider the concept of possessing truth, and employing it, and cultivating it. This might be a good way to attract a new leader. And home the homeless...I don't care if they are druggies or alcoholics. Give them a chance to see truth and wake up with a new sense of caring. It would be easy to see them give up materialism. That is what our crappy leaders in society are afraid of...after they get past their deep inner fear of themselves.

Open eyes anywhere Microsoft? Or...



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Soffty
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These days I routinely sit in a small crowd and listen to conversations, and sometimes join in. In almost all talks involving people in their 20s or 30s, there are many who are totally consumed with their egos. They are flat out selfish. In the older crowds, I run into those who have some wisdom. Who have learned through trial and error, and actually can read. And most of all, actually do care.

But there comes a time when we seem to stop caring. When we know that we live within an organic vessel, with arms and legs on a vibrating planet...well, I think we see where I am heading here. There comes a time when science is what matters most. No matter how spiritual we are, the soul takes a back seat to the body when we are coherent.

We could define humanity and life, and define addictions and failures on a spiritual level, and even define solutions involving truth. But we end up back at the beginning. All along the while, as we are failing on the species level, there is a potential of success. It begins with us caring.

People on television talk and talk, about whatever makes them interesting and puts money in their bank accounts. It is on the same level as the politics we invent, and the religion we get stuck on our shoes. We simply do not choose truth over lies. We are afraid of truth. That is the definition of humanity.

When a man loses all that he cares about, to the most evil of men, he has a choice. Most choices result in leaving quickly. If there ends up with enough time to consider solutions to problems involving opposition, rather than running away or getting by, we might want to get back to making a choice...one that involves action.

But waging war against a strong opponent will end up in a disaster. Our enemy has the power to dominate truth with lies. That is how it works on this planet. We all know that. Our fear is so strong that it is quite uncommon to find anything honest. And the bottom line involving us and truth is sad. Our leaders have so many secrets that we would run away from truth.

And yet, the potential of success is always there for us. The potential to take responsibility for our actions. To stop blaming others for our problems, and to face our fear. The fear that defines our species. We are afraid of truth.

I propose that one solution to the problems of society is to be honest. Face the mirror and not be afraid. What we are is not our fault. What we do next may well be. Isn't it nice that a person can see an honest post on an honest forum? Where profit is not the objective...well, I may be in a delusion. It might al be about profit now. You be the judge of that.

I am writing another book, and I might be around long enough to get it right this time...maybe not. I would like to see a group of people who share, and a political force that cares. I would like to witness the love and support that Jesus displayed. And parents who spend time with their kids. I would like to eat food that was anything but bologna sandwiches, peanut butter, and hot dogs provided by churches.

The answers are available...right now. The truth about the definition of humanity. About the soul and the vibration of this dimension it is in. About how we fail to understand any of this.

The brain damage that I currently have leaves me with little control over my emotions. I cry when I see something emotional in a basic manner. I get tears in my eyes even when a person simply thanks me for caring. They are ashamed, and live in a vibrating universe that results in a delusion called ego. And it is NOT OUR FAULT. This is simply the definition of humanity.

Help someone today, if you can.



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Wendy53
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Re: Jesus. Man or ghost?
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Literature observation spoke about deities as male/female interpretations through an evil consciousness...our possesed brother's evil mind who wanted to do stone levitation.

His review of stone levitation involved a pre-existing black body radiation attack on Earth, that melted the crystal fusion and lifted huge blocks of stone off the face of Earth.

The atmosphere, a much thicker and different form of atmosphere by spirit records called the Hall of Records/Akashic determined that the Heavenly atmosphere converted its spirit into water and oxygen....both considered in ancient documents to be HOLY BODIES of the CHRIST review...which is why the story of CHRIST is found in the Old Testatments also.

Therefore evidence of literature already make a statement that the Jesus Christ circumstance relates to a condition of a human being living and is spiritually involved in spirit phenomena...spiritual healing....spirit messages/prophecies.

In these ancient times it is also noted that new religions just like in todays society were formed around new religious deities...those who demonstrated spiritual love and phenomena.

As stigmata is a common day occurrence also along with many different forms of spirit phenomena is it any wonder than an ancient male around the time 0AD became witness to evil acts being done in ancient communities involving the GIZA PYRAMID and UFO body manifestations causing acts of phenomena as spiritual evil attacks...changes to the holy blood of humanity...causing plagues...disasters....spiritual evil presences seen and attacks noted?

What has happened when Scientists once again did stone conversion....Giza Pyramid gained a UFO body above it and the atmosphere began to fall out...once considered to be a Holy Body.

If water/oxygen is involved in keeping our holiness as an Act of "Christ...." for Christ was termed the Holy Ox...oxygen, and the bodies of water/oxygen considered spirit bodies of holiness...is it any wonder that a human male with spirit phenomena capabilities was born during this era...just like it was documented in the Muslim community as human beings advising humanity against acts of evil done by human beings as purposeful spiritual attacks on the natural life?

Sai Baba demonstrates this same phenomena, for after the atmosphere was burnt again with UFO fallout, his spirit was born demonstrating spiritual observations...and many other human beings began to demonstrate the same holiness accredited to a personage called Jesus Christ.

Yet if holy orders used and named their advisors by hierarchial evidence of Order Heads, just like we do today, why hasn't it ever be considered that a real human male did exist exhibiting a huge amount of STIGMATA on his own body, also giving spiritual prophecies as a kind/loving/human being?

That spiritual evidence, no matter what era it has happened in seems to be linked to the condition of burning the atmosphere called a Holy Body where the Holy Spirit that protects our blood...our cells....our life gets destroyed and then phenomena and messages are delivered in the human mind/spirit and body as evidence of our natural spiritual destruction?


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It matters not what Christ was or wasn't, and for me he didn't exist. I can see why people believe in him, this world is a madhouse, and many people are in need of a saviour because they have been conditioned that way! The System creates our desires and fears through whatever is available, and religion is a big attraction fair to those too lazy to look within themselves.


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I have no idea exactly who I think Jesus is, all I know is that I am certain, at one point, he existed, practicing and promoting love and compassion.

What I am not certain of, are his miracles. Some may have been legit, some may have been exaggerated, and some may be false altogether.

How often has the Bible been re-written,edited, and revised? I feel a great deal of Jesus' teachings have been lost over the years.

There are some in spiritual circles that say he is an Ascended Master, but I'm still out to lunch on that one.

"To Love Another Person is to See the Face of God" - Victor Hugo


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I'm mostly with you, Shinsoo. (I think there may be a lot to the concept of Ascended Master, but I'm far from sure.)

As a side note, there is a difference between Jesus and Christ. His name was not and is not Jesus Christ. "Christ" is a sort of title and references to Jesus should be written Jesus, the Christ or at least Jesus, Christ. We can't all be Jesus, but we can all achieve Christ Consciousness (sooner or later), which is what I believe he did.

Biblical scholarship is an interesting field and the historical, anthropological and archeological evidence is there for many of the places, people and events in the Bible. Of course there are many more that haven't a shred of evidence for them. As with any ancient documents, the Bible must be taken in the context of its many (dare I say it?) incarnations. It's had more revisions than an aging movie star's face.


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Jesus is the only spirit who was totally created by God the Father, we are all descended from him. Like all of us, he was born on this earth as we all were. We were all created by God as spirits, then we fell from Heaven when we sided with Lucifer against Jesus along with Adam and Eve. Now we must all keep being born on this materialized realm until we choose Jesus again.


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Fear-based, patriarchal religions, like Christianity, are not the only paths. Enlightenment and soul-evolution come from open-mindedness, not narrow-mindedness. Only with large, open brains and large, open hearts do we truly grow.




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Jcorb
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Hello everyone

I realise that this conversation ended 15 months ago but for the record:

I believe it is important to make the distinction between Jesus, the most highly developed human being ever to walk the face of the earth and Christ.

Jesus at the age of 30 years gave his physical, life, and soul sheaths to Christ at the baptism by John the Baptist. From that time on the deeds and teachings of Christ were markedly different from those proceeding from Jesus the man.

Christ will not incarnate again into a physical body. We as humans continue to reincarnate because we have karma but we are also deeply connected to earth which we must transform into a spirit state as we must do for ourselves.

Christ upon resurrection after the crucifixion united himself with the earth - Christ is waiting for us to raise our consciousness so that we can unite with him on the Etheric level of consciousness.

Christ because he is not a human being will not reincarnate in a human physical body again.

Our great Initiate teachers tell us that in the years ahead there will be a very powerful individual(s) who will be able to seemingly give people any gift they desire without us having to make any effort to achieve these gifts. The only price will be our freedom - our rights and our spiritual freedom. These attributes are what you must look for to understand what is happening. This individuality will be called the Christ.

However Christ will only work with you out of completely conscious freedom and love and not as a physically incarnated being. If these attributes are missing then you have instead the messenger of the Anti-Christ.

We must survive this experience and continue on our path of spiritual development by embracing the powers of love and freedom.


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Jesus is overrated. Real Jesus who lived about 2000 years ago in human body didn't promote love and compassion. He taught some people in a secret how to develop a spirit power. And how to use this spirit power to heal humans and to defeat demons. Next he taught about energy, God, and what kind of beings people are. He didn't die for our sins, or for the salvation us either, because there is no condemnation. He died because he opposed certain interest groups. His activity disturbed a certain order. This could cause a war on Earth (Palestine against Rome) and between dark souls (if they will restore their power; there was a risk because some dark souls were close to him) and the rest on Earth and in astral plane. When he died, some started use his name and his famous to share his own ideas. Some time later other people have built cult and religion. Anyway, in New Testamen there are still pieces of truth about Jesus.


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Ultimately we must find the balance between light and dark. Excessive light forces make us egotitical and purely self interested and its spiritual influence is to take us into the realm of the fallen angel lucifer. He who tempted us out of the spiritual worlds where we were perfect automata and instead he gave us the ability to seek spiritual freedom. If we are too influenced by lucifer we are tempted into false spirituality which ulimately will lead to a cessation of spiritual development.
The dakness is the material realm of Satan. He who continually seeks to make us forget about our spiritual heritage instead trapping us on the material plane and continually diverting us from the spirit through fear and doubt. Ultimately Satan the deceiver aims to trap our spirit in hardened physical bodies on a hardened earth shell.

Christ is the balance between the light and the dark forces. He is the divide embodiment of freedom and love. By becoming as Christ we can develop a strong spiritual individuality without selfish egotism and learn to understand and transform materialism without becoming entrapped by it.

Through Christ we find our way to the Creator force and the Holy Spirit thus ensuring that we evolve our way to continuous spiritual evolution.

By sending the Holy Spirit Christ gave humanity the ability to raise itself to an understanding of the spiritual out of the life of intellect itself. A man could only justify his inability to understand the spirit if he ignored the Holy Spirit, if he spoke only of the Father God and the Christ God.
We can understand the spiritual dimensions through the spirit dwelling within us, if we understand Christ. It is for this reason that we are told that the Holy Spirit appeared at the baptism of Christ. And with the appearance of the Holy Spirit these words resound through the cosmos: “This is my beloved Son; this day I have begotten him.”
The Gospel itself was no longer understood when Scholasticism decreed that the human being has revelation only in faith, that we cannot reach the spiritual world through our own human knowledge. This decree concerning human knowledge, which was separated off from faith, was itself a sin against Christianity: it was a sin against the proclamation of the Holy Spirit through the Father at the baptism of Jesus and through Jesus himself when he sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
For it is an impossibility that faith alone could ever really bring understanding. What must be rescued within humanity is knowledge itself; knowledge must be led back to the spiritual world.


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