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Jesus. Man or ghost?
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Religion aside, and in a sincere search for truth, Who was Jesus? 70% of me believes he was here, and 30% says he was just part of an elaborate story. Was he a ghost, or just a misunderstood humble human? Is it possible that he was walking on ground covered in heatwaves when people say water? Then there is the shroud. But was it really occupied by Jesus? A lot can change in 2014 years. How do we know the truth when we find it? I ask in all sincerity, no hidden motives.


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Cheeneka
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Hi,

This is just my own personal belief does not make it truth!

I think Jesus was a being of light, the 'mother teresa' of his generation. He came to raise human consciousness and to teach love. While some write that he was crucified so that our sins would be forgiven, one has to remember that crucifixation was the punishment of the day and that lots of people were crucified.
What makes Jesus stand out from all the others is he supposedly rose from the dead. Personally, I think a lot of what was written by men about Jesus was metaphors, walking on water, water to wine, loaves and fish etc etc because the people of the day did not have the language or the understanding to articulate what they were witnessing.The bible was written two hundred years after Jesus died. We all ascend back to spirit when we leave our physical body but maybe reading about Jesus helped us understand this.


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Edited by Cheeneka on 02/10/14 07:16 AM.




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Cloudcastle
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Hi you two.

I have thought for quite some time that Jesus might have been a mix of part human and part alien. Hybrid in other words. This would explain his abilities. Also explains the virgin birth. If his mother was artificially impregnated (by aliens) then that could be seen as a virgin birth.

Yes, sounds pretty far out, but so is the account (of Jesus).


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Cheeneka
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Everyone to their own!

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WindSong
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I'm open to any alternative theories/possibilities/thoughts. Honestly Cloudcastle, yours is very interesting. Without derailing the thread too far, I look at the stars and think "Earth. Here we are, and the Milky Way is VAST, and the entirety of space is much larger. Billions upon billions, possibily trillions of lightyears. What makes earth the only colonized structure? There's gotta be more than us."


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Cloudcastle
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I have never read the Holy Bible (Old and New) from cover to cover. I have only read parts of it in no order.

So I decided to do that (cover to cover) just the other day.

Hoping to maybe gain some more insight (maybe even figure a few more things out).

The things I came up with when I was in my late teens, caused my Dad to get pretty angry (it went against his strong Christian beliefs). I got forced into hospital in the end. I had a choice, either go willingly or get sectioned. I was angry about that. Felt extremely unfair. I went willingly, but I was not at all willing (yes! what a paradox!).

Now I am in my mid forties and after all the grief I've been through, I don't really see things much differently to how I saw them then.

Can't talk to my parents about anything too dodgy still. Haven't tried in years. No point really. Hate angry arguments!

Well, I am a slow reader, so the Holy books (Bible) might take quite some time to get through. I bought a new one (Holy Bible) in December (2013) as the only other copy I had was a smelly second hand King James. The new one is an NIV. I'll probably keep the old one too (haven't read the old one).

Anyway, I guess a time machine might be needed in order to prove whether Jesus was made up or not (in my opinion).


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Cheeneka
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Hi
After I lost my husband very suddenly seven years ago I started on my own spiritual path. It never once occured to me to read the bible or to turn to religion in any shape or form, strange when you take into account that I was brought up a catholic!

I started to read spiritual books, Deepak Chopra etc..I didn't find what I was seeking there either. It wasn't until I started to meditate and go inside myself that I found the inner peace that I was looking for.

I discovered that In the silence of my mind were all the answers I needed. I became a hermit for about five years. I don't regret the time I spent alone figuring out the answers that I was seeking. Now all these years later I am the one writing the books, one about power animals and the other 'soul aware' I don't think either book would be possible if I hadn't spent five years of my life preferring to be alone.



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Cloudcastle
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Hi Cheeneka,

Sorry to hear about your husband.

I was brought up Christrian. Well, semi. My parents became Christian in 1979. This was (as I remember) difficult for my Mum's parents to deal with. Like praying before a meal. Uncomfortable. They (parents) gave that (meal thanks) up in the end.

The first book I read (after a long search through books in a second hand shop) when I was on my search for answers, was: The Sane Society by Erich From. I was about 15 at the time. Maybe it's a bit old now. But it kept me going whilst I scived off from school due to unbearable bullying.

I spent alot of time alone on walks away from society (nature). Alot of time I guess sort of talking to God. My parents were busy with their shop. I was hiding away from them at any rate. They didn't know I was not going to school and that was fine by me. I told them years later.

I think the final year at school changed me quite a bit.

Now I have 3 friends who I don't see that often, but I'm ok with that. So yes, I'm a bit of a hermit.

I think I've been cutting myself off ever since the bullying.

That's cool that you write! I thought about doing the same when I was much younger (before 15), but didn't really want any kind of fame (no matter how big or small) after school. I have had some great ideas over the years. I thought of a Da Vinci Code type book long before the one that got big. I had a feeling that my book might be perhaps a bit too big if anything. I've had loads of ideas for fiction over the years and the amount of times some other guy/gal seems to have plucked my idea down from the thought cloud and claimed it as their own by form of book or film (or tv). I am ok with that now though. I see everything as coming from God. Or if you like, wouldn't be possible without God. So it doesn't matter about who owns what thought to me any more.


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Cloudcastle
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WindSong,

Sorry for getting off-topic by the way.


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Mathew
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G'day WindSong

The question is, did enlightened people like Jesus & Buddha exist? With the little experience I have had most definitely & I’m not even enlightened.

http://www.ucg.org/science/surprising-archaeological-find-proof-jesus-existence/

Extract: Another ossuary has come to light, this one bearing the names of Jesus, James and Joseph, three of the most prominent people in the New Testament. The ancient Aramaic words inscribed on the limestone box state that it belonged to "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus."

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia

Most modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[1][2][3] but scholars differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts of Jesus,[4] and the only two events subject to "almost universal assent" are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[5][6][7] Biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted

Part alien, what is an alien? Only something we are not aware of but we once were in my mind.

Love
Mathew


Acceptance of all leads to true spiritual awareness.


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Cloudcastle
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Hi Matthew,

Alien in this instance is non-human. Whether from another planet or another dimension or both I can't really say.


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Cheeneka
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Hi Mathew,

Who is Jesus? there were a lot of people named James, Joseph and Jesus alive at the time. Proof it seems is still a requirement when it comes to people who come here to spread the message of love. Do these people really matter when it comes to love? History is history, or is it? people are still at war despite all the beings of light that have come to teach us. As long as people think they are powerful and that their power is in this world then nothing will ever change.

It doesn't matter how much proof we have power is not infinite, love is.

In my mind Jesus is love, like God is love.

I give messages through animals, Jesus gave messages through 'miracles'

In years to come will anyone care who I am? NO.

Will anyone care who Jesus is ? YES. Why do you think that is?

If you tell me it is because I am not Jesus then he did what he came here to do!


LOve cheeneka x

Edited by Cheeneka on 02/11/14 06:41 PM.




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No worries at all Cloudcastle. It all ties together


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I know I may have come across as a troll, but one reason I asked has to do with my Christian upbringing. I've recently been considering church again. I believe the misinformed(myself because I went to Church by force not wholeheartedly) should ask a lot of questions in order to find out if church is one's calling. And, if it is, we start asking more questions to find the right one. Honestly, if anyone asked me right now what path I would be following in three years, maybe 6 months, I'd only be able to say something along the lines of, "Definitely not Satanism." Questions should be asked even if they seem controversial. On the flipside, a question shouldn't be asked just because it is controversial. It is possible my intent may seem malicious to some, but it is honest and well intended(not honestly malicious lol). I do believe in a higher power, but I'm looking for something I can't describe with words. I hope this question has harmed none.


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Hi Cloudcastle, Cheeneka I used to live on the Oregon coast. I ditched school a lot and would stare out into the ocean, looking at ships so far out you could barely tell what they were with binoculars. It would take an hour, sometimes more, to tell they were moving. I wanted to somehow get on those ships without them coming any closer to my experience. Reality would set in, and I was still on the beach. I started rebelling in school, and ended up in jail. Jail was way better than school. I had so much time to think. While it was better than that school, I wouldn't go back to either, although I would give a lot to go back to that beach and relive those liberating snap-shots.


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IMHO the following.....

Jeshua was a man, he ascended. The message from Jesus has been greatly misinterpreted. We have made a deity of Jesus, an idol if you will. The message from Jesus was, BE like me. Do not worship me, BE like me. We have made an idol of Jesus and forgotten or misunderstood the message.

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p.s. Jesus is the one crossing the border during the night, Jesus is the one shooting school children, making war, admiring the flowers, dancing in the rain. Until we can see that, recognize the ISness in everything, and let go of the illusion of separation and realize there is NOthing that is not spiritual, we shall continue to ramp up the pain and suffering. BE like Jesus.

Tiat


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Jesus 'Jesuah' was a member of a ancient Egyptian Royal household... similar to the famous King, Tututkaman ( Tututkamon or King Tut ) whos burial mask resides at the Cairo museam.


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He was ( and still is ) part of a ancient brotherhood hailing from the 7th dimensional Kingdom known as the Holyland. They reincarnate back to this world to teach people of the nature of eternal life. Some may obtain during their lives a very real spiritual connection to the heavens which connects them with both heavenly parents ( hence the 5th commandment ) they are then able to reach a state which allows animated healing ( miracle healings ) providing proof of our living God.


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I have direct experience with angels who appear out of nowhere. Jesus, in my opinion, would not be so important still if not for the foundation of truth that supports the faiths. But, we exploit and cannot advance in our purpose.

If we combine science with faith then we have a better understanding of the possibilities...with Jesus or anything important in recent history, ancient history, or faith. Take the quotes from those who were before us and selected for one reason or another, and apply them to your opinions.

Then, read my eBooks and you may have the answers.

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