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Mathew
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Soul Connection & Religion
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This isnít a topic I know much about but then again there isnít too many topics I write about that I actually do know about as it just comes as insights brought on by various circumstances. In this case I have been recently in a conversation about atheism & spiritualism & other conversations about souls/spirit & realities of time & space & no time & space, the following is the result.

To an atheist religion is either of distorted facts or plainly of blind faith period & has no relevance to life & in actual fact can distort life & brings on conflict instead of bringing peace, this of course can be the truth of the matter however itís not the faith of religion that is flawed itís the people of the said faith. Science is proving a lot of religious practices are very beneficial to ones psyche like praying, singing hymns or chanting & having faith period like I have written up in past posts. I wouldnít call myself a religious person myself as I follow no set doctrines or belief systems however I am aware enough that religion does have itís place still within society because it works but what doesnít work much these days is pushing ones ideology on to others against their own will & saying this is more right over any other ideology, we are becoming too intelligent & aware to accept such things these days.

What is actually happening when we engross ourselves within a religious/spiritual based ideology? In past posts I have written about the soul/spirit, whatever you want to call it, a number of times trying to show how more important it is than human vessel self however the human vessel is important to the soul because the human vessel self is itís teacher. By focussing on the importance of the soul instead of on the attachments of the human vessel self we can become more aware humanly & at the soul level but if we focus on the human self alone our awareness isnít just human based but is choked by our importance of our attachments& this is where religion/spirituality can come to the rescue. Religion just doesnít move us closer to our creative source (God) but to our soul/sprit selves, when we are reconnected with our souls/sprits/inner selves we become closer to our creative source & this is why we feel so much inner peace & harmony while conducting ourselves in religious practices.

It really doesnít matter what religious or spiritual order you follow it can all reconnect us with our inner selves/souls/sprit especially when we become engrossed in it which also include practices in all pagan practices like wiccan, witchcraft & so forth. No matter what it is unless itís black it will bring you closer to your inner self & the creative source I believe. Anything of the darker side is of attachments & will lead one away from our awareness of our truer selves however everything has itís place so itís up to each individual what they will.

Why do so many people these days say religion/theism is dying? Itís because of fixated attachments. We have never in the known history of man ever been so fixated as a race to attachments so you could say we are actually living in the darkest time in human history. Religion/spirituality isnít perfect because the people of any said religion arenít perfect however ití a lot better than continuing on our fixated ways of thinking & living!! Realties of time & space, for which we are presently in, are of attachments however realties of no time & space arenít, by reconnecting with our soul/spirit/inner self we are reconnecting with our creative source which is of no time & space & of no attachments which help us out in balancing out attachments in realities like this one so is religion/spirituality still important? I would have to say a definite yes otherwise we will kill ourselves off with fixates attachments, itís that simple. I would like to state here that a soul that has fixated attachments will need guidance to become un-fixated & that is where religion/theism/spirituality comes into it as it has itís place in balancing out attachments in any reality of time & space.

ďBalancing our attachments is the key here by any means possibleĒÖ.Love Mathew


Acceptance of all leads to true spiritual awareness.

Edited by Mathew on 07/21/13 07:09 PM.




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Re: Soul Connection & Religion
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Nice thoughts Matthew;
I think youīre right that society is more focussed on material values now than at any point in the past. I also believe that this is leading us to crisis situations in various aspects of life, environmentally, socially and spiritually. Sometimes we have to go through crisis situations in order to see the truth. To me this truth is a belief in the power of love.

If all our creations came from joy and were given to serve others, then love would flow like a great river, from heart to heart.


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Mathew
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Re: Soul Connection & Religion
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G'day GoldenHeart

There has always been people with attachments to materialism & power however not so collectively, you could imagine if we collectively focused on the power of love for a change!!

These collective attachments will in the end see the end of the human race which is sad because a lot has gone into this race. Maybe people like me should stop drifting with the times but I suppose in the last two years that is what I have been doing in what I wright I suppose!!

Having an acceptance of all is great spiritual philosophy but this also takes in being non-accepting as well, one must be accepting also to be non-accepting which of course relates to not accepting where we are going with these attachments especially these materialistic & power attachments.

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God in his purest form is outside of space and time and has no attachments. The only reason there are attachments in religious practices is because these physical bodies require them to interact in this realm. We are communicating on this board via a realm made up of attachments. We are attached to the language we are using, we are attached to the computers, the internet, the 'rules' of whats discussable, paying our electric bill, having a working keyboard. These are all attachments. We remove any one or two of these attachments and we would not be here communicating.

I communicate without attachments all the time. I put myself in a trance and allow my body to go on autopilot while my spirit/soul communes with True Love and with other human spirits.

Sometimes these people know me or hear me or see me sometimes they do not but attachments are not a requirement to interact, only a requirement to interact through attachment based mediums.

As for religion. Its extremely significant to discern the different between religion and faith. They are two entirely differnt things though most people who have not taken spiritual experiences to the extreme dont know that.

Religion is about the rule set, the do's and don'ts. Etc. What you can and cant eat, can and cant wear, can and cant do with or to you body.

Faith is about communing with a 'higher being' as it is said. Ultimately you wish to commune with the highest being of True Love and then interact with everyone else at a slighly lower level.

The way that faith and religion interact is that most people start with religion and then go into faith or they start with or are affected by a twisted religion and go against it or go against faith or they find portions of one or more religions usefull in expanding their faith.

Ive been told I have a profound knowledge of the bible by my father who has been studying the bible for 45 years yet I have only read it once, twice at the most, when I was brain damaged, 8 years ago. Yet I often know more then he does and he has to look stuff up to confirm what I am talking about but then comes back and tells me I was write.

I did not recieve this scripture from 'religion' I recieved it from faith. I recieved it through prayer and meditation for 3 to 6 hours a day for almost 10 years. "I hear" God clearly and when he speaks I listen and when I listen I take spiritual and mental notes and then I talk about it with people who want to hear what he has to say.

Everything that I write or say about spiritual things are either in the bible in some fashion or are things that I can show do not contradict the bible and there for do not 'violate' the rules and regulations of the Christian RELIGION. But for me it is faith, not religion. For me its an awareness of God as True Love.

Religion is dead. It has no life. It has no function except to show us how bad we are at having faith. Faith is alive, faith is a relationship to the living being of True Love.

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Mathew
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Re: Soul Connection & Religion
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Gíday Schwanke
There is a big difference between religions & religious as well, religion is of any faith or conviction not necessarily of religious/spiritual convictions however being religious does refer directly to spiritualistic beliefs/practices. I canít see religion being dead because it refers to any convictions not just church oriented religious convictions & being religious isnít dead either because it refers to all spiritual convictions.

What is dying is religious doctrines which refer to dogmas, people have become more aware of these religious doctrines which dictate my will not our own will, this is the same as the communist party dictating my will instead of our will when it was supposed to be about our will to start with. The will of God/dictator is dying not religion itself which is fear based. My religious conviction is that we have a creator but of course other donít think so, that is my religious conviction because I firmly believe it, itís certainly isnít dead.

However church driven religions do seem to be waning & it could be dead in the future because of itís dogmatic doctrines which are usually fear based therefore not of the light. The problem in dumping church driven religion is we have replaced it with attachments like consumerist materialism which is far more deadly because of itís fixations. The churches, especially in the dark ages did the same, they became fixated to attachments that serve God & church above all else, consumerist material is no different as it is a religion or become a religious practice to some. This is the multinationals dictating their will upon us not our will.

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Re: Soul Connection & Religion
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Its hard to say but I think we are mincing words here because in all the contexts that I have experienced being religous is based on a religion. You cant be religios without having a religion to be religious about. I mean short of being 'religous' about 'buddhism' which technically is a philosophy, most people who use it in that context (mistakenly) see it as a religion. If you use the term religios about a set of beliefs then you are defining a religion based on those beliefs even if those beliefs are unique to you.

Religion is all about rules and regulations in any religion, even self made ones. Its about following a code of conduct even if its self defined.

My point was faith is about relating to the creator as a person and having a living one on one interaction where your 'code of conduct' comes from him, but not because he has written it in a book 2000 years ago but because you are talking to him every day and listening to what he has to say and living your life by his decision and his desires the way a knight or a page lives by a king's command.

Even a nurse has to do what the doctor says and the nurse is intrinsic to the work of the doctor because the doctor cannot do it alone. It isnt to say that the creator has limitations its that he has created all of the realms in a way that for them to function properly they require nurses and patients otherwise there would be no point for a doctor!

When I say religion is dead I am talking about the process. I am not saying that culturually we are having less and less religous people I am saying that religion and being religious empties your soul. It takes you AWAY from a living breathing connection with The Source, with True Love.

You know I pray about when to go to the bathroom? I turned my biological responses and systems over to God several years ago and now only go to the bathroom when he tells me to. I choose this because I know that his understanding of all of the realms is perfect and he knows how best to use the experience. Someone might say, well, what if you have to pee? I have to pee all the time. Yet in 7 or so years of praying about peeing I have never wet myself. What I have had happen is have midnight meetings with people in the hallway or at gas stations because God chose at that time and that place to pee I met someone who needed to hear a Word from True Love or needed someone to talk to.

One time I came out of the bathroom at a gas station and was walking to my car and this guy tapped me on the shoulder and I turned around and without even waiting told me his life story, about his pain and troubles, and problems with his marriage and how much his kids hated him and all the trouble he caused and how he just wanted to make things right. And then he said "I dont know why I told you all this I just knew that I did, thank you so much for listening, I am so glad you were standing here."

All because I waited five extra minutes to empty the bladder.

Religion says "I have to pee there for I use the bathroom because this is how I have been responding to my bodily urges all my life." Faith says "God, I have to pee. Should I go now or wait until a better time according to you?"

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Gíday Schwanke

Most people denote religion to being just of faith which is usually connected to church doctrines of one kind or another however religion can also denote to being of logic not just faith as a scientist will have certain theories they will follow which is a religion or creed for them to follow usually right through their lives.

Certain eastern based religions teach free will & I canít see them dying in the near future however like western based religion it will have to change with the time or new consciousness as everything does in realities of time & space I believe. While living in realities of time & space boundaries are always set to guide us however realities of no time & space have no such set boundaries, there is no need. I think what is happening now is we are trying to replace time & space with no time & space, in my mind that is not what we came here to do. I think what we are supposed to be doing is assimilating no time & space within time & space only to give it balance again however of course I could be wrong.

By the sounds of it this is where we differ greatly, I feel our souls need time & space to experience our knowing which is infinite because time & space will always renew itself however it would seem you think we are here to just connect with the source ( true love) thus change this reality into another reality of no time & space. We were all created from light, yes some souls will decide to reunite with the light, the source, after ones soul has a certain understanding & awareness but I think most souls will decide to keep on experiencing the knowing for this expands the sources conscious awareness of itself even further, you could say that all souls are serving God however we too are that God (consciousness).

What I think what has happened here is certain people have experienced certain states of consciousness to a point where they have formulated a conclusion to what is happening without going further thus we only have the understanding of being here to become what we were in the first place light/love, I feel there is much much more to it than that Schwanke.

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Spiritual Meditation is a required thing of your body, it gives full rest from mind & body. It depends on focus & concentration power of yourself, when I was beginner then I visited the recommended place by my friend for spiritual meditation: www.chamundaswamiji.com



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Any faith that does not adhere to the Creator is faulty and pagan. Amein.


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quote:

Any faith that does not adhere to the Creator is faulty and pagan. Amein.



If one's faith is based upon and absolutely requires a Creator then that would be an inevitable outcome as far as opinions go.

There are many who do not share such a belief and as there is no conclusive and indisputable evidence for the existence of a Creator this is understandable too. In order to label beliefs as faulty I would at least expect some arguments as to why that is so, not just statements. That might even convince some to change their mind while statements such as yours only serves to solidify already held opinions on both sides. IOW, they are wholly counter-productive.


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Are you asking or are you already determined to mock your Creator? Look around you, how did it get there Matt? Somebody designed and CRATED it. There ya go, by grace you got your answer anyway. Shalom..any other brain busters?


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How did what get there? Look around you Matt? Oh, there is your answer, stop breathing your Creator's air if you do not beieive in Him, that would be rude son.


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I look around me and see that things work very well seemingly on their own. Is 'look around you' supposed to be your evidence?
That we can't quite figure out how it works is no reason to introduce a Creator.

One can also ask who is the somebody that created the creator? He came out of nothing, I presume. Why can't other things do the same?



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This is amusing all, please continue.

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"Somebody designed and CRATED it" Yup, somebody CRATED it all right. Faith can be a temporary substitute for not knowing, certainly. Belief = Not Knowing.

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Ringtide Since you will not take His servant's word for it you can ask Him When you see Him, I would Suggest a fire suit, although to be honest, it is not going to help you.


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Smile, at least you can be "one" with the squirles before you go for that hot eternal swim, if that helps. It certainly does nothing for me. Hence my position.


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If your loving Creator is a truly loving, (or isn't he?) I am sure he will keep me company when I am in the fiery place.
If the Creator is with a person no matter where they are then it can't be such a bad place, can it?


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DispersedOne, you will not find any traction for your views in this forum.
Maybe you could tell us how your beliefs enhance your life, how it has changed for the better and what you can do now that others (still) can't, rather than telling us how terrible our life will be in the near future.

How about it?

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They are Our Creator's views, and yes you are partially right about not having any traction, indeed in the world, for all have gone astray, like lost Sheep, for only a remnant shall be saved, repent of sin and then I will tell you some wonderful and True Bed Time Stories.


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