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Moobesh
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Re: A New Faith Organisation
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I dont know about there being a huge number of new faiths but there are certainly lots of new ideas about life and how it should be lived. this organisation would most probably be more of a school of thought sort of like a church denomination.

like i say I dont want to use restrictive terminology like church but lets use that word for instance at the minute. The idea would be that we are a church without tie to any current religion. there will be different areas such as ministry and monastery and the executive. its members would explore their personal path and be encouraged to. they will also learn skills that can help others. so ways to give medical aide, to build irrigation and sewage systems, to think and fend for themselves and these skills can be used to improve the lives of those these members come into contact with. I am not concerned so much with another persons believes as long as their belief do not negatively impact another person.

Maybe the word faith and organisation are not well chosen. you could be right here

There is certainly a need to nudeg people towards greater self-awareness and any method that does that is welcome. I dont necessarily believe this, I think if we began helping each other and we build a nation on this planet that is single, equal and diverse and education in this nation is proactive rather than learning to pass exams then people will gradually move to there greater awareness. I personal believe I have been here in different forms and at different times from the historical perspective but I dont believe we are here to learn to be enlightened I think we are here to enjoy the experience (which certainly isnt happening in many contexts)

My conerns are about effectiveness and universality. I shall not repeat what I have already said about effectiveness. Universality is another requirement, clearly one-on-one therapeutic relationships can never ever have the impact on the world necessary to effect some real change. Any exclusivity must be avoided, which means that universality must also apply to whatever people beliefs are now and that whatever is set up must enhance their experience rather than require them to discard it and embrace something new. you are getting my concept now (lol I told you I wasnt conveying it very well) and where the universality of it is concerned I believe that is looking at it from the wrong example. the way I envisage this 'Church' would be to have a sovereign entity either with territory (which is very different as everyone everywhere has claim on every piece of land barring around a 1000 miles square unexplored segment of the Antarctic) or as with the Knights of Malta doesn't have a territory but is recognised as sovereign by the UN. now the sovereign element to the church would be a kind of chair of the board and there would be regions around the world of autonomous church each would adapt to the region it is in allowing the universality to appear and be maintained.


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Re: A New Faith Organisation
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Hey Mathew,

I do take your meaning here. I not trying to establish a new ism, sort of like a new business that is born out of old ones that aren't necessarily effecting change in a big enough way. but I dont want to use the term business because this is in now way about making money and that is one reason for the idea around sovereignty.

If you think of a business (at least in the UK) you are welcome to believe that wish you choose in most ways, but you all have to pull in the same direction. where I work its about providing social housing, maintenance our properties and support to the vulnerable and every individual agrees to these goals regardless of their personal beliefs around the benefit system, our tenants our religious, philosophical and political beliefs.

so maybe a new faith organisation doesn't do the concept any justice. maybe its a not for profit business or an order of people whos goals are to deal with issues and to seek their personal journey through the entities group resources

I do really thank you guys for your comments, they are helping refine things

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Re: A New Faith Organisation
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BEN. What are some of your goals for personal development? How would you like to see yourself connect, and what would that enable? I am sorry for my very slow response into this thread. I became homeless 3 weeks ago after the river rose too fast. I also started a new fulltime job a week ago, 2nd shift, as if that would be easy in my current situation. I used to be online everyday for hours, now its by cellphone using a tiny touch keypad, for maybe 20 minutes a day.


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Re: A New Faith Organisation
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I'm really sorry to here about your housing situation, do you have emergency shelter and support?

In terms of development for myself I want to be the facilitator of real change in the world change that removes the learned helplessness and false bonds on the collective and the individual. I'm not sure how I will connect, that is a detail that certainly needs some work. I would like to be a sort of entrepreneurial coordinator, someone that brings together the resources, tools, teachers and those with the skills to approach the tasks. That in my mind would enable real motion towards world political union and genuine change in places that need it. an irrigation and sewage system built in a place that has none. an economy built and jobs created

Congratulations on your new job and I do hope things settle soon

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Re: A New Faith Organisation
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he Red Cross helped us, yes. Things will get better. They can't get worse. I'm a teacher. My true calling is to teach. I went to college and graduated with hpnors, got licensed, cant find work in my field, so I'm working on a production line. I wrote a book that didn't sell. I've endured a lot of personal failure over the last twe. It is definitely my time to succeed. But after a lifetime of failure I'll admit, the idea of success scares me.


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Re: A New Faith Organisation
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The idea of success is a bit of a fearful thing for me as well. have you tried hypnosis such as those from www.hypnoisdownloads.com? i'm currently doing self motivation and organisation.

i'm sure with your mindset as long as you hold your desires and focus you'll be very sucessful. what is your book about and is it on amazon?

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Re: A New Faith Organisation
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I'm sure its on found on Amazon. Its a paperback, My Secret: Memoirs of Love & Survival. Its about my recollection of 20 years of life. Meeting my equal. My life partner. Then being ripped away from him, for two decades. During which time I mothered 4 beautiful children who were my whole life, and survived 17 years of abuse and dehumanization, and I carried a huge secret within me - that my true love was the real father of my oldest child. When I told my daughter she was 18. She asked to meet her real dad. I prayed for a miracle, to find him, to tell him knowing my controlling husband would never allow me access to tell him. The miracle unfolded. Thats what its about. I would like to see this book fall into tge hands


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Re: A New Faith Organisation
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Hands of women, or men, who need help recognizing and escaping abusive relationships.


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wow, I just searched for it and sent you a private message I think I could help you here a lot. just getting back to the topic, what do you think then? I'd like it if more people could pitch in it seems to have dried up a bit

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Re: A New Faith Organisation
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Ok I'll check my messages.


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Re: A New Faith Organisation
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Greetings and Blessings. I am new to this forum, but was reading this thread and thought it was a good place to start. Although I can understand your desire of starting a new organisation, personally I do not feel that it would be appropriate. We have an abundance of different organisations on this world, all of them thinking that they are here to assist people. We are all on a journey, and it is an important journey as well. But another organisation is not the answer. Living our truth, in harmony, love, acceptance and tolerance of each other is probably the best course of action any of us could do. Then we become a living example.
The other issue with another organisation is what would be created from that. Invariably it would create sheeple. Followers as it were. There are enough of them in the world. If each person simply lived by the tenets of love, respect and tolerance of all, then that would have a more profound influence in this world.

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