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Meaning of end of world and second coming of Je
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Meaning of end of world and second coming of Jesus

Tribulation comes in every human generation. Tribulation should be understood in its inner sense. The sun becomes black. The sun means the intelligence or the discrimination power. Black means the evil direction. The moon becomes red. Moon stands for mind (Chandrama Manasah –Veda). The red colour indicates emotion and anger. The divine bodies escape their orbits. The divine bodies mean the feelings of good people. Orbits mean the paths of justice. Like this one should understand the inner meaning. It is scholastic language. Jesus is a great scholar.

The same tribulation is mentioned in Gita “whenever the tribulation appears in any human generation and at any place, I shall come down in the human form to set it right” (Yadahi Yadahi—Gita). In Gita “Dharma Glanih” means tribulation. This tribulation may take place in physical sense at the end. The re-incarnation of the Jesus to judge and punish is nothing but the “Kalki” incarnation mentioned in Hinduism. It is a very powerful incarnation. But mean while the Lord will come again and again to change the people through the divine knowledge. After many efforts, the final step is taken. When you say that Jesus will come again, it means He will come again and again to preach and change. Such interpretation synchronises with Gita also.



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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Je
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I like the Hindu approach. It deals with life through a realistic perspective that seems to have ageless benefits. There is no doubt a tremendous amount of knowledge.

I have one problem so far. It seems much to wordy and complicated, which puts it in the same category as other religions. Plus, it seems to have no goal other than the perpetual commitment to spirituality.

Is this how you see life...as an endless search for understanding? Please forgive my ignorance, as it would take me a very long time to understand Hinduism. I would like to know about the ancient past of mankind, and the immediate goals.

Our society is a failure as far as it seems today. Can you offer simple virtues that I can learn in one hour?

The Buddha gave us the simple truths, and with them, I see no need to spend an eternity trying to impress a teacher or master. I think all we have to do is get over ourselves and deal with truth, and if this is truth, we wil never make it as a species.

Can you solve the problems of humanity in 20 pages? If not, it is a nice token of spirituality to place upon the bookshelf with other religious notions.

Help me for I have fallen.

Wade

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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Je
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What you are describing as failure need just a glimpse of our past. Each decade has shown viewed failures and the inhabitants of that decade moved on to the next to view more failures. In spite of what you describe as failures we are experiencing less violence in the world than before and a obviously new global political structure in the making. Of course if you watch American news sources you will want to climb under the sheets and hide.
As for learning in a hour, thats up to you to persue and don"t take any ones opinion including mine. If you want to do it in a short period of time you will miss all the fun. "the joy is in the journey not the goal"
Have fun !
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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Je
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Yes, we can find a perspective that perceives the positive side. I am refering to the difference I have seen in my lifetime. We once had family values.

I understand as the material plane compares to the spirtiual, we are on the path. What bothers me is that people will not accept their roles in finding truth, so my point concerns truth.

We Americanize the world and destroy truth, and I know it serves a purpose. But then why have religion or pursue truth at all? So I am asking for a solution as it relates to the Act Of Giving, and isn't that why we share?

So, I feel I have met my goals to offer truth to those who cannot find it...let alone search for it among a maze of clues. I see merit...extreme merit...in offering truth in a simple and honest fashion that makes religion invalid...as it certainly is not working.

Maybe religion was good in the past, but it ain't workin' now...which brings us to our current goal...to operate as a whole as souls do in Heaven.

Wade

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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Je
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In general, the major lot of humanity does not require the human incarnation. Even if they require, they cannot recognize due to their inherent ego and jealousy based on the repulsion between common media. Therefore, there is no use of human incarnation for the major humanity. But, they also require God. For their purpose, God is represented by statues and photos of energetic forms. Since the energetic forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc, are not available, a photo or statue representing them can be only worshipped. Even, the past human incarnations like Rama, Krishna etc, can be worshipped through the photos and statues. Since direct photo is not possible, only imaginary photos and statues are worshipped. Even the alive trees, animals, birds etc, are worshipped because they are not alive human forms.

But, all these statues and photos represent human form only indicating that the final goal is the alive human incarnation only. The Shivalingam is just a round stone, which indicates that the human beings in this world can interact only with matter and not with the unimaginable God directly. The Shivalingam is in the form of the energetic wave representing energy and there by indicates that energetic form is necessary for the worship of unimaginable God by the departed souls existing in energetic bodies in the upper world.

Therefore, the Shivalingam denotes both matter and energy, which are the media required for the expression of unimaginable God in this world and upper world respectively. Even the body of human incarnation is matter only. Therefore, the Shivalingam represents the first step of interaction, which is matter. The second step is the carved human form in the matter (stone). The third step is the alive human incarnation. Hence, the idol worship is meant for the major lot of humanity suffering with ego and jealousy in the initial stage. Bhagavan Shri Satya Sai Baba told that just like the finger indicates the flower, the idol indicates the goal. Once the flower is seen, the finger is not necessary, Baba said. It means, once you catch the alive human incarnation, these photos and statues of energetic forms and past incarnations in human form only are not necessary. The goal of all these statues and photos is alive human incarnation only with which you can interact and serve in all angles including the clarification of your doubts.



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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Je
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It does seem as if an idol might help to combat egoism, but religion itself is egoic. If we establish an endless amount of knowledge that makes it too complicated, we defeat the primary purpose.

99% of people do not believe that they are the problem, and we all have ego. Our job is to simplify, simplify, simplify...so that people do understand. We need evidence, not theory.

Edgar Cayce is the evidence, Buddha is the necessary theory, and all religion does is help those who are the easiest to help. If religion, idol worship, or any other belief has no end result then it is obsolete.

It is sad that people easily find a manner to paint a pretty picture so they feel less egoic...while we lose all that is precious. We cheat everyday so we have more money, while we enjoy our ability to neglect our responsibilities.

Sir, I have the utmost respect for your knowledge, but that is way too many words to address a simple problem. It is ego, and we all fail. If we cannot see that, it defines what we are. It is simple, yet suffering is the only tool available to us now...as we have become free agents, and only care about ourselves.

There is no Act Of Giving...no sharing...just competition. Yes, the reality is that we can currently only reach one person at a time...as we are lost as a species. What if we all had a trial date tomorrow and truth was the outcome? How many can face pure truth tomorrow?


Wade

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Re: Meaning of end of world and second coming of Je
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Every human being is equal for the God in the human incarnation. The recognition depends only on the purity of mind. The Sun reflects in clear water but does not reflect on the charcoal. When the God is not reflected, the human incarnation appears as an ordinary human being only. The Lord also will not try to impress all the human beings about His divinity. If the situation is plain like this, there is no problem, but some deserving devotees recognize the Lord due to their pure minds. Generally the liberated souls who have accompanied the Lord in His mission recognize Him spontaneously and straightly enter into the service without any doubt or proof for the divinity.

The second type of devotees who are not liberated souls but achieved the purity of mind through rituals or social service recognize the Lord but are unable to enter into service because of the lack of liberation from the worldly bonds. The third type of people observes the Lord but treats Him as the human being only because their minds are impure with jealousy and egoism. The whole problem starts when the third type of people hear the first two types speaking that the human incarnation is God. Now the reaction starts in the minds of this third type of people.

They cannot accept Him as God due to the impurity of their minds and therefore start mocking at these two types of devotees. If the jealousy and egoism of these people is at the climax level, they start mocking the human incarnation also along with those devotees. If such people are strong atheists, they start even abusing the human incarnation. The atheists have no faith even in the existence of God. They reject the miracles as magic. If the experienced miracles are magic, why not the experienced scientific experiments also are magic? Why the experienced world is also not a magic?




A statue cannot teach you. If you think Him formless, He is not speaking to you from the sky or space or air. The human body is most convenient medium for the human beings to hear preaching of the God. The main goal of God is to preach the human beings and correct them to put in the right spiritual path. For beginners, He does some miracles as signs for His presence in the human body. The realized souls will detect Him even without those signs. Sheep see the shepherd and come near by recognizing him with eyes. Some milder sheep come near by hearing his voice, which is a miracle. The mildest sheep try to go away and are punished by the stick of shepherd, which is nothing but permanent hell.



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