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The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day saints
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Hey fellas I'm new here and just thought it would be nice if I shared my testimony to you guys. If you have any questions about our church please ask.

I know that the church of Jesus Christ of latter- day saints is God's true church. And I know that we are Heavenly Father's children and He loves us more than we'll ever know. I know that before this earth life we lived in a pre- mortal state with God as His spirit children were He showed us His love. I know that Heveanly Father has a plan for each and every one of us here on earth so that we may have happiness. I know that through Faith in His Son Jesus Christ believing that He is the atonement for the sins of the world, and repenting of our sins, and baptisim, and partaking of the sacrament weekly, and enduring till the end, we may receive not just salvation, but exaltation, so that we may return to our Heavenly Father and live in His presence for eternity. I know that the book of mormon is indeed the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. And I know that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. And that the church of Jesus Christ of latter- day saints is lead by apostles and a prophet today named Thurmon Monson. I say these things humbly in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day saints
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I've met with many people from your church over the years. I must say that although i don't believe in what your bible tells you, nor do i believe that joseph smith was any kind of prophet, the fact is the people of your church are by far the nicest, most humble and giving people i've ever met.

Don't get me wrong... although what many call the "most accurate" bible (KJV) does teach many lessons in morality, over the years its been rewriten and overall corrupted. So i don't believe what my own bible tries to throw at you either... Regardless the book of mormon must teach some great lessons because many if not all of the people from your church are happy, giving and generally fantastic people.

Oh and one more thing, Welcome to the Spiritboard!!

And no i don't want to join




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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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Hello to you. Hope you enjoy yourself here.


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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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Big Love to you all.


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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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Well, its nice for people to know they know the truth however the world is full of those of differing, or no, religion who think they have all the answers, too. Trouble is, then, if the answer is something else, you cannot access it unless your belief system changes. So you lose out!
As you invited others in to consider your religion, I invite you to step outside it and listen to some other voices, if you dare!


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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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On a side note...

I still believe all religious affiliations are bad, they want little more then money and know even less about spirituality, let alone God.


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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day saints
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In reply to:

I've met with many people from your church over the years. I must say that although i don't believe in what your bible tells you, nor do i believe that joseph smith was any kind of prophet, the fact is the people of your church are by far the nicest, most humble and giving people i've ever met.

Don't get me wrong... although what many call the "most accurate" bible (KJV) does teach many lessons in morality, over the years its been rewriten and overall corrupted. So i don't believe what my own bible tries to throw at you either... Regardless the book of mormon must teach some great lessons because many if not all of the people from your church are happy, giving and generally fantastic people.

Oh and one more thing, Welcome to the Spiritboard!!



Thanks for the kind words about the members of our Church mate! And thanks for welcoming me to your boards, I'm happy to have found this place.

If you don't mind I'm going to be bold here for a minute with you... If you were living in the time of pentatuech and you had a neighbor who taught many people that you must be faithful to God, repent, give to charity, and be kind to others, yet when that neighbor witnessed Moses come down from the mountain with the two tablets that contained the ten commandments he told everyone that Moses is fake... then what would you make of that neighbor? Also, what would be in store for those that hearkened unto his words, ignoring Moses?

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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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In reply to:

they want little more then money and know even less about spirituality,



We have no paid clergery. Each and every member of the Church, whether you're a stake president or a Sunday school teacher, must provide for themselves and their families on their own.

Edited by Atonementwas4u on 01/28/10 08:19 AM.




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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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In reply to:

As you invited others in to consider your religion, I invite you to step outside it and listen to some other voices, if you dare!



Sure, if there are aspects of your religion you'd like to share with me than I be more than excited to hear about it. I attended many different denominations before I came across the Book of Mormon. Since then I've gained a level of understanding about Heavenly Father, and the Atonement of Jesus Christ, that I didn't think I could achieve. Yet that doesn't mean I still can't learn from other sects. So please, if there is anything about your church I may not know about share it with me so I may learn. Thnx.

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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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quote:

Also, what would be in store for those that hearkened unto his words, ignoring Moses?



Personally i don't believe any religion that uses fear tactics to make others believe what they believe is morally right. The bible and many other Scriptures are full of this garbage, quotes saying you should always be fearful of God. God is a merciful and yet a vengeful God, but he loves you none the less. Its all trash!!

I don't know anything about your religion honestly, but as i said you are very nice people. Regardless im always suspicious of any religion, especially ones that believe in "the Devil" or Hell in general.


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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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quote:

We have no paid clergery. Each and every member of the Church, whether you're a stake president or a Sunday school teacher, must provide for themselves and their families on their own



Although this may be true you do have what you call Tithing, Meaning you donate to your church or someone in the church. Where does this money go? And a better question is How much are you required to give?


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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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Again im not here to pick apart your religion friend, If you were a christian or catholic then perhaps i might be more inclined to point out flaws. But whatever your church does it makes you great people. Who am i so say otherwise honestly, i've never met a mormon i didn't like...


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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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In reply to:

Personally i don't believe any religion that uses fear tactics to make others believe what they believe is morally right. The bible and many other Scriptures are full of this garbage, quotes saying you should always be fearful of God. God is a merciful and yet a vengeful God, but he loves you none the less. Its all trash!!


Heavenly Father has given us holy scriptures (the Bible and the Book of Mormon) because He loves us and cares abouts us and wants to guide us towards lives of happiness. I know of the immense difference the scriptures have made in my life and the lives of millions of others, and I also know of the tremendous blessings that come from reading scriptures daily and following the counsel of the Prophet and Apostles.

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I don't know anything about your religion honestly, but as i said you are very nice people. Regardless im always suspicious of any religion, especially ones that believe in "the Devil" or Hell in general.


If there was no hell then how can there be a heaven? Can good exist without evil?





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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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Although this may be true you do have what you call Tithing, Meaning you donate to your church or someone in the church. Where does this money go? And a better question is How much are you required to give?


Just as the law of Moses commanded, faithful Saints pay a tithing that consits of 10% of their income. This money doesn't go towards any clergy, for there are no paid members of the Church. There are numerous things this money goes to i.e. upkeep of the buildings, scripture books, programs that help the homelss, and tutoring programs that teach the uneducated, basketball leagues for the community, etc.


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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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Again im not here to pick apart your religion friend, If you were a christian or catholic then perhaps i might be more inclined to point out flaws. But whatever your church does it makes you great people. Who am i so say otherwise honestly, i've never met a mormon i didn't like...


Well thanks for the kind words buddy. Please, take some time to check ot our website: www.mormon.org

And have a blessed day!


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There are a number of nde (near death experience) accounts of hellish places. Here is a link for more info...

http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/hell.html

If this is not enough to convince then close your mind to the possibility and tell yourself that there is no hell or try googling: "hell nde" for lots more websites.


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Re: The church of Jesus Christ of latter- day sain
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Well i was trying not to get into this... unfortunatly the one thing i didn't mention is that i have made a few mormon i've met question their own religion...but if you like

We'll start with your prophets.

Joeseph Smith:
Came from a Masonic family which lived by and practiced the tenets of Freemasonry. The father, Joseph Smith, Sr., was a documented member in upstate New York. He was raised to the degree of Master Mason on May 7, 1818 in Ontario Lodge No. 23 of Canandaigua, New York. An older son, Hyrum Smith, was a member of Mount Moriah Lodge No. 112, Palmyra New York.

Brigham Young (1844 - 1877) Long time leader of your church, also a well known Freemason, at that particular time in your churches history a good portion of the members were masons.

I'll skip to the most recent or this is going to take all day....

Thomas S. Monson
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/topic/35918-presidents-bush-monson-meet/ Questionable, as is anything related to the man hes shaking hands with... Many people around the internet believe this was a secret handshake of some organization, might be freemason, might be skull & bones, i really don't know. But normally when you shake a presidents hand you do it the right way, you don't stick your finger out and put it on the other persons wrist....DO YOU?

LDS forum...
http://www.lds.net/forums/lds-gospel-discussion/11805-why-did-pres-monson-reveal-temple-content-george-bush.html Your members questioning they're own religion

And of course if you look all around the internet theres people everywhere saying "not so nice" things about this Thomas Monson.

this guy is a little upset, former member of LDS btw...
http://www.salamandersociety.com/foyer/prophets/thomassmonson/

Heres a quote from his own mouth: "Remember that faith and doubt cannot exist in the same mind at the same time, for one will dispel the other.

"Should doubt knock at your doorway, just say to those skeptical, disturbing, rebellious thoughts: 'I propose to stay with my faith, with the faith of my people. I know that happiness and contentment are there, and I forbid you, agnostic, doubting thoughts, to destroy the house of my faith. I acknowledge that I do not understand the processes of creation, but I accept the fact of it. I grant that I cannot explain the miracles of the Bible, and I do not attempt to do so, but I accept God’s word. I wasn’t with Joseph, but I believe him. My faith did not come to me through science, and I will not permit so-called science to destroy it'" ((Thomas Monson, "The Lighthouse of the Lord: A Message to the Youth of the Church," Ensign, February 2001).

See the problem with Faith... (Im NOT talking about faith in God, im talking about faith in "people") Is that it blinds the nieve. Many people want to believe in their religion so deeply that it litterally affects their sense of logic and reason. For instance, if a devout follower of the pope heard the pope say "the world will end in two days time" I garentee that person would believe its true, no matter how silly it might sound. Now a logical person would say..."ok maybe, but probably not" because the world has been here for millions of years. Logically (and reasonably) it will most likely be here for a million more...

Another thing i want to tell you friend... there is nothing wrong with being a freemason. Im pretty sure theres actually a few of them on these forums. The problem is the same as your church though, all these people follow one person. In any case of man kind following one person, theres always always always Corruption. Freemason's main tenet is "Always Obey your supiorior" IF you're a 2nd degree mason, and a 3rd degree asks you to do something, you MUST listen to him no mater what it is.

Even christianity is the same way, the church members listen to the leader of the church preach about the bible, yet theres very few if any who actually know what jesus taught... why? Its simple, most of his teachings were taken out of the bible so the church could reinforce the "divinity" of their savior. We have God incarnate on our side (so to speak) so, whatever we say must be right...now follow us or you will goto hell!! (HAHAHA a little dramatic i know) But that is the idea. The fact is Jesus wasn't a God, he was a normal human that did amazing things, helped the poor and unfortunate, and perhaps he did heal people. But theres instances all over the world of people being healed by others. The human spirit is an incredible thing, and jesus himself even said we all have this ability, we are all Gods children!

Atonementwas4u

I could go on and on and on about this friend, i don't need to visit your website. I know about your church and how great it makes you people. IF that does it for you so be it. As far as i've seen the LDS lead a great life... ( No coffee, no beer...that would do it for me) But i would say to you, don't believe everything you hear from others even the ones in your own church. Do your own research and don't be afraid to go outside of your books (bible / BOM)

Good luck bro...


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Oh right....Your last question i forgot about.

If there was no hell then how can there be a heaven? Can good exist without evil?

There is a spiritual world, thats where we go when our body dies. Hell does not exist. It just doesn't, its a scare tactic that religions use to get people to believe. "If you don't believe us, You will burn for all eternity in the fires of Hell" Sound familiar? Scary right, WRONG!

Life is a lesson we all have to learn, and the best way to explain it is this... If you don't learn the lessons that you are presented with in this life, well as "they" say..(arn't "they" smart ) If you don't learn your lessons, you're doomed to repeat them. A very true statement if i do say so myself. If you steal, someone will steal from you. If you harm, someone one day will harm you. If you murder, someone one day, in this life or the next, WILL murder you. This is the way it is and always has been. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth! Its in your BOM as well as all though out the bible.

Heres something for you to read from these very forums, Lets call it.... Inspireing

http://www.spiritboard.net/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=ascension&Number=111774&part=1#Post111782




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There are a number of nde (near death experience) accounts of hellish places. Here is a link for more info...

http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/hell.html

If this is not enough to convince then close your mind to the possibility and tell yourself that there is no hell or try googling: "hell nde" for lots more websites


Sorry bud thats not even close to anything that might convince me of the existance of Hell. Not even close to close for that matter. The human mind is a very powerful thing. As a matter of fact things actually will become real to those who believe in them strongly enough. These people clearly had a preexisting fear of hell, and fear is one of the most powerful things in existance. It can litterally paralize you, and create all sorts of sickness. If you believe in Hell, have fun. I know it doesn't exist and im not afraid of make believe.

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*sigh*
ok... in all this i still managed to miss one question you asked Atonementwas4u.

"Can Good exist without evil"

To understand you really have to understand how God works. In my studies, i did alot of praying. You'll find that praying for God to give you things is pointless, God doesn't work that way. But what you can ask for is understanding, and to be closer to him. To know him on a personal level, which is really what he wants from you. What was given to me was exactly that... I never met God as some people say they have (at least i don't remember meeting him) But in studying about him, and trying to learn about him, i do know how he works. God is everything, everywhere, everyone, the only perfection, he makes no mistakes. And nothing is done without him. He is all love, joy, careing, peace, understanding, forgiveness, and compassion. Knowing this you would also know that something like Hell is an impossibility. He would not condem his loved ones no matter how horrible they've been. It doesn't matter what atrocities you might have done! He is our Spiritual father, from which we all come from. A part of him is in every one of us, as such we are also a part of God. Now our father must teach us some how... and this i already explained. IF you don't learn your lessons, you're doomed to repeat them until you do learn. Murder doesn't give you an eternal sentence in some non existant lake of fire! It does get repaid though and again, i've explained this many times on these forums. If you kill, you will be killed, in this life or the next you owe that debt and it will be repaid. What you think is evil is only a lesson that needed to be learned or a debt that needed repaying.

Amazingly enough all this comes to me on my birthday...

God never ceases to amaze me every day!


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