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Burnu
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07/12/08 10:06 AM


Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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First I must state that I do not believe in the existence of a devil, and of legions of demons, but recently a thought came up in my mind.

I heard a lot of stories f people who invocked "Satan" and sensed a extrem negative force.

Could it be that darkness takes the form of this archtypy t manifest itself? That it isn't really the devil but what they is darkness itself? Like
in NDE the light often takes form according to the person's believes.

Concerning demons, I do think that there are beings who are immortal like angels, but they reprensent a certaint aspect of darkness.

For exemple the case of the demoness lilith.
While I have a profound sympathy for neo pagans and wicca it often surpressed me that they would invocate such a malevolent force




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Re: Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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Hi there Burnu!

Well, if you believe in the biblical story of Satan being the angel who was cast out of heaven, then it's possible that he exists as well as all his cronies (demons and other similar beings). I believe that all beings/entities are inherantly good, but can become bad due to the choices that they make. I know this applies to us humans, so I don't see why it can't apply to angels and other souls or entities.

You've heard of cases of demonic possession where people have had to be exercised? Not all of those cases are fake. Some people do get possessed by evil presences or lower beings. They are out there! Now, whether they are doing Satan's work or there really is a hell...I don't know. I was baptised and raised Catholic and have always had alot of questions about stuff like that!

Lisa


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07/24/08 00:51 AM


Re: Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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Believing on Satan or not, importand is the experience with it. And that I got blendy! During I was writing the book about the new relevations (in Holy Spirit), I got permanent disturbance of the satans world, it was horrible. The reason was: The (wellknown) angel send me also a relevation about the satan. The special relevation tells where the satan is located, how he and his helpers works, how his system works. That is the first top secret information in the history about the satan. Permanently his helpers tried to stop the book (they can controll brain-cells, really!), but the book ist now published. Satans location in Central Africa:
[invalid URL removed], -
[invalid URL removed] (in the circle his adjudant. Attention for visitors of his area: He can change him self in a bestial animal, killing you, but he never can move out of his area without GOD.

You can not image what experience I had! The book in german, Die Odyssee der Göttlichen Frauen (The Odyssee of the Divine Ladies) handle about the begin of the humanity, the divine Ladies as first humans, the cosmic laws, and much more.

You don't have to fear the satan or his helpers, but they controls your thoughts and feelings, so, that you do the wrong things, and you don't notice it. And he self can occupate you completly! I had 2 times for 2 or 3 days that 'pleasure', during the elevation-receiving, as warnings.
-- priamos --

Edited by Gerrit on 11/10/08 02:10 AM.




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Re: Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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In the channelings received, we were told that demons are not "fallen angels", but manifestations of negativity created by emotions such as anger and hatred. While all are entities, they were formed by emotions, created, mirroring hatred and anger.

So,
In reply to:

Could it be that darkness takes the form of this archtypy t manifest itself?


yes, agreed.

Satan, according to spirit, is not a "fallen" angel, but one who chose the heavy burden to test mankind - to tempt us by all means to see if we will remain on their path. To distract and pull hard, be as nasty as can be - as a test. A tough teacher, yes, but fallen?



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Re: Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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Well Burnu Evil of course does exist everyone knows that and human history is self evident of that if you look at our terrible deeds towards others. That's nothing new.

I'm a Spiritualist Medium and I tend to believe that we all have choices to walk the path of soul development that takes us into the light of compassion (or God for want of a better word)

An undeveloped soul is less understanding of what it means to share love and compassion. You have to be touched by love before you can have experience and understanding of it. You can not accept without fear what you don't have experience of and goes for anything for that matter.

So the long and short of it is - I believe evil actually comes from the ignorance of undeveloped souls.

Every soul has the right to eternal development and that simply means to learn to become more godly (for want of a better way of putting it).

But since what we call GOD has given us freewill choice, its up to us to decide. God does not chastise us for what we do. It simply is there waiting for us to return home by understanding its heart and simply accepting the light that flows from it.

If we choose to turn away, it naturally follows we lower ourselves into darker times within our spiritual minds and hearts.

Evil surely does exist - its our freewill choice to cause evil to happen or not - GOD does not cause it, it doesn't need too, its simply IS and doesn't need explanation. We teach each other along the way as we rise through the levels of ever brightening shades of light until we simply accept what is before us without question.

Ignorance is the greatest danger in both sides of life.

Every morning say I accept everything good into my life from this moment forward.


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Re: Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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As always Gerrit you are very wise. If we look at the story if the "Fallen angel"

Rev 12:7
7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Angels are messengers of God, helpers, or assistants. It says this in the new testament and the Quran. In Judaism they are known as Elohim, or Sons of God.

As i've said they are the assistants of God. They are not the enemies of God. Even Lucifer is not Gods enemy, hes called al-Shaitan or "the adversary" in Arabic. And although he may have a bad reputation hes not God's adversary, hes ours...mankinds'. He works for God not against him.

Only mans ignorance could possibly believe that anyone or anything could oppose the creator of all things. To start a war with him would be futile, and rediculas to even consider.

This is simply an example of more bible corruption...


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Re: Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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My oppinions on angels were always that they were human or alien with higher chakras activated. But I can truly say I've been experiencing alot of angelic guidance and help lately. I've been through a phsych ward and through it had a man teach me how to make my intentions clear and that no matter what faith itself is powerful. I met with Jesus (or at least the spirit of christianity because the man I saw was a very stereotypical image of Ittalian Jesus and I know the man was from the middle east) and very many seraphim. Who have helped me through a serious case of possesion along with the man I met.they say there are 2 seraphim that protect the creator always I met with 2 at his gates and then many other helpers. During the time I also met with the demon who possesed me and cast the ritual. Those people being kkk members possibly poloticians. Through this process I've found better ways of connecting with myself and my enviroment including with the planes non existant on the usualy spectrum. Prayer has helped me, so has eating better foods and becoming vegetarian. I'm just glad I was supported by some very loving friends along the way.


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Re: Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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Demons are from a specific being of a specific dimension and so take the form of a demon. Not because we made them that way. I think thats a bit egotistical like saying we are god therefore we created these creatures in our own image.


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Re: Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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Burnu,

...for your consideration

As this one read your initial post, i was wondering what you do believe in. Do you believe in yourself for instance? Do you have to see with one or more senses to believe? Do you have to be convinced. If i said i love you! Would you believe that? If i said i hate you, would that be easier to believe? What is real or what is illusion? If you reduce these inquiries down to the simplest form would the truth be seen?

Peace to you!


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Ijin
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Re: Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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Sorry if i offend anyone with this.

But as the mind is a place where we are able to create things, i found that even fictional charackters in a story can exist for real.

Many people who tie their understanding and meaning to something can manifest itself when given the right energy and the right amount.

So if you calculate from christianity in a rough 2000 years(i know not very accurate but for calculation`s sake) let`s say that each year the energy and meaning multiplies.

then apply that over 2000 years and the intent and magnitude gives birth to an actual existance.

Even if the charackter remains fictional, it`s meaning remains non-fictional.

So for instance if we take a fictional charackter like goku from dragon ball(just cause he`s very known) the actions and beliefs that he carries in the series can affect this non-fictional world.

Thus the actions become real to some extent.

So if we take satan, a long long remembered individual and the cumulative energy that we bound to his charackter.
Invoking the known figure of satan as we know him is accompanied by all negativity people have placed on him.

Regardless of truth of the word or not.

watching the world fall


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Re: Satan or prefered manifestation of darkness?
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Hi Burnu

There is plenty of evil in the world today - created by the hearts and greed of man of course. Sadly we don't have to look too far from our own back doors to find that truth. Its on the news every night. Battered children, neglect of the elderly and bullying in the work place are still VERY real.

So I think evil is a real living thing. But it like goddliness comes from our own hearts.

The power of positive and negative thoughts in either side of life of course. There has to be a balance set or all would be lost.

You NEVER get what you expect from the Devil; you can't make bargains with this power, it will never bring you peace, it asks too much and will eventually consume you.

You have to free your own mind and soul and no one can you how to find that sence of peace, you have to seek for it and create it in your own life.

To talk religiously - how can you find peace in whatever you call heaven, if you haven't found peace inside your heart whilst on earth?

Kindest
Ainleben




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