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Angel1
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03/12/07 04:21 PM


What started the rapture idea?
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The following is an excerpt from an email newsletter I received from Prof. Kimball:

Carl Sagan comes out and suggests that extraordinary claims require
extraordinary proof and all of the sudden that becomes the bible for
science. It also happens to be the worst discovery protocol imaginable…a
really dumb idea. Science hides its head in the sand when it comes to
spiritual matters, though spiritual phenomenon are prevalent everywhere you
look.

What is worse is that in some cases whole churches are based on
an idea someone thought was important. I think of the “Rapture” groups of
today. No where in history was this a doctrine of a church until William
Miller and John Darby made it an issue in the 1840’s. The judgment of men
will not be accomplished by being raised from the earth just prior to a
fiery cataclysm. No prophet or anyone close to Jesus has every suggested
such a thing. The truth is that John Darby and William Miller were in big
trouble. They had predicted the end of the world and when that didn’t
happen they had to give the people something else as a substitute. They
had collected millions of dollars that they weren’t going to give back.

~ Namaste', Mark

Egoless person is not humble at all; nor arrogant;simply himself




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Essene
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06/12/07 11:17 AM


Re: What started the rapture idea?
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Truthfully the rapture cannot be found in Sacred Scripture. It is a purely 19th century invention.

Shalom,
Uriel


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Angel1
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06/16/07 04:58 AM


Re: What started the rapture idea?
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Yes Uriel, it is, as is also much of the bible the churches use. It never ceases to amaze me how people put so much belief in a book that's been altered so much. As one example, the much used King James version. That's as ludicrous as George W. Bush telling people what should be created/allowed and what to be eradicated and nobody seems to question it even centuries later in The Pres. Bush bible. ~ Namaste', Mark

Egoless person is not humble at all; nor arrogant;simply himself




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Akragon
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02/04/08 04:46 PM


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Re: What started the rapture idea?
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Personally i think the rapture idea was created by one of the many "church" people trying they're hardest to get a following. Hey if we tell everyone that if you listen to us, God will come down and scoop you and the rest of Our followers up and we can all look down and laugh at everyone dying in the "Great Tribulation".

Similar to many other "religions" these days...Follow us and you'll be saved because everyone else is wrong, Except us!!

I know a man that knows more about the bible then probably any man alive, yet still one thing is missing from his testimony, God. He knows the book backwards, but still he has never actually connected with his own spirituality. Its unfortunate but he's spent his entire life living according to what God wants (according to the bible) yet he wonders why God doesn't grant him his ministry.

The rapture like many other things stated in common religion philosphy is a load of (insert your favorite word)
God is not in the bible, he's in everything and everyone.

http://elijahtheprophet.net/ <-- this is his link if anyone would like to read about a great mind in "religion".


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Cloudcastle
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12/05/09 08:37 PM


Re: What started the rapture idea?
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The people who are supposed to be taken up to the heavens are also known as bought sheep. Sheep are farmed as a food source for human consumption. So if humans are like sheep then maybe the ones consuming these human sheep are alien beings. Could it be that these human sheep are raptured in the sense that they are beamed up to a craft that is in the heavens (space) to be taken to where-ever they are to be consumed? Is this Star Trek type technology available in real life? If not then could it become available in the future? Who was it that said, "if it can be thought of then it is possible"? In answer to the question of what started the rapture idea. Maybe aliens did.

It doesn't have to be perfect. Good is good enough.

Edited by Cloudcastle on 12/05/09 09:33 PM.




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Akragon
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12/06/09 02:07 PM


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Re: What started the rapture idea?
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or it was started by someone who knows that the general public will believe anything...


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KatyKing
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06/24/12 03:42 PM


Re: What started the rapture idea?
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It's a nineteenth century spin on some texts that could be read to say more or less anything the reader decides that they say. J N Darby was one of the first to trail the idea and it caught on. Seems to be a dividing line these days many fundy churches atr pro Rapture and most of the mainstream more liberal denominations are against the idea along with the RCs.


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ShivaDas
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06/25/12 00:39 AM


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Re: What started the rapture idea?
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heaven and hell are symbolic. heaven being bliss&joy, and hell being suffering. an age lasts a few thousand years. the Bhagavad Gita tells us that in every age god incarnates into a divine person. the ages cycle around in fours from a golden age then to a silver, a bronze age, then an iron age. the previous picean age was an iron age the present age Aquarius is a golden age...

so think about the visions(which are often symbolic themselves) of revelations in the bible...

Babylon is rebuilt---industrialization and materialization of world culture

christ returns---the next Avatar(incarnation) comes

the rapture--- is the children of the new era returning to traditions of peace and trust and love. possibly returning to a more natural way of life.

the sinful--- (material absorbed/self-destructive) people are said to remain in there hell on earth they have made for them selves.


a Faith for the Aquarian age. the time is to understand that mighty God is in living man....



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Soffty
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06/25/12 06:36 AM


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Re: What started the rapture idea?
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Heaven and Hell are symbolic, as in a Christian's mind. Yet when we die our souls travel down a path of light and if we can stay on that path and go far, we will encounter many souls struggling to get on this path of light, and cannot.

This light takes us to a place. There is a definite reason why we can or cannot stay on the light. All this was displayed almost daily by Edgar Cayce...the most important man of the 20th century. No person can say that they are starting a new religion without extensive knowledge of Cayce...even if they themselves have seen truth firsthand. Today, we have to display truth...not just talk about it. Cayce displayed truth for 40 years or more.

Most people will not accept truth. That is a fact.

Wade

truth in my actions


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ShivaDas
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06/25/12 05:26 PM


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Re: What started the rapture idea?
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ditto, people would rather believe in a bunch of fables and myths than to accept simple Truth...

it does f*ck with your head, you think "it cant be that simple" but its all one unified beingness

a Faith for the Aquarian age. the time is to understand that mighty God is in living man....



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KatyKing
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06/27/12 05:04 PM


Re: What started the rapture idea?
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Cayce was a top chap and his work continues through his foundation and the excellent research work into our kinda things being done out of Atlantic University. He was a trance medium's trance medium par excellence and set the standard that others seek to follow.

'Gee You are You' spells GURU


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