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Ijinfuhen
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07/03/13 09:18 AM


Re: STOP Meditating
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Well don`t expect me to stare at a wall for 9 years.

Besides when it comes to meditation it is indeed reflection, but sitting still for it is not something i do.
thinking is not attached to moving one`s body.

Reflecting can be done instantly anytime, any place.
Self reflection gives insight, insight gives information, information turns to knowledge and knowledge turns to wisdom.

If you can think of multiple things simultaneously and you apply that to self reflection and you multiply that, mess around with your perception of time and give yourself more time within a day, think of how efficient you could meditate.

However the misconception people are having here is that meditation as practice and meditation as a word differ from one another, the meditation in practice you are messing around with your brains to try and lower them or elevating them.
From another you try and lower or elevate your energy itself, with another you focus on relaxing the muscle systems within your body.
With another one you are doing all of the above.

Then with meditation as relfection of self diving, is finding out how you work, how you think, how you percieve, how you react all those aspects wich would otherwise be lost to the category: automated process.

Even so all of the above are called meditation.

So to stop meditating, or to stop with one aspect of what we understand as meditating, could be considered as a wrong thing to do.

Thus it is understandable why you get the heat for saying so.
However i still cannot agree, thus in order to alter this situation why don`t we alter the proclamation.

It is not stop meditating, but stop misinterpreting meditation.
with that i can agree, but to simply stop misinterpreting is not enough.

The other half would be to either re-name or further categorize these different aspects of what we call meditation.

Can you agree on this?


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Mathew
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07/04/13 09:57 PM


Re: STOP Meditating
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G'day Ijinfuhen

Quite agree but most people won't because one needs a reason to meditate & that reason is usually due to some sort of conflict or fixated attachment so to become attached to meditation or have a need of meditation one is in conflict with one or more parts of existence.

The present thought form of meditation isn't quite correct as I can go off anytime just by daydreaming, one doesn't need to stare at a wall for 9 years which is an utter waste of time & time does exist in realities of time & space so every bit of time is precious & so is life.

A true meditative state is actually being content & accepting at that time of existence not trying to escape something by meditating which most people are trying to do if they realise it or not.

Imagine for one moment of not having to meditate, now that's true bliss, contentment & connectedness.

One more thing, our higher selves could be meditating & realities like this one could be but a reflection from that, just a thought because not all meditation leads to unconditional love & harmony!!

Love
Mathew

Acceptance of all leads to true spiritual awareness.


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Ijinfuhen
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07/10/13 03:06 PM


Re: STOP Meditating
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Did you know that there is stuff in your brain wich constantly checks your reality? conflicting information gets either resolved or if unable to alter a way of thinking then it doesn`t.

The full terminology etc can be found on youtube under the name athenewins with a show called athene`s theory of everything.

Check it out and perhaps some sort of meditation is merely the active aware use of this brain function.

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Enkirch47
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07/11/13 08:05 AM


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Re: STOP Meditating
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Please listen to me, STOP meditating, you are harming yourself.

This sounds a little like, stop walking, you harm yourself.
When I meditated, I only had one purpose in mind, to make a connection to my, what I call now, my divine self. Now I have a constant connection, so I don't have to meditate any longer.
I still do energy work when I need to.

Edited by Enkirch47 on 07/11/13 08:06 AM.




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Mathew
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07/11/13 04:32 PM


Re: STOP Meditating
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G'day Enkirch47

Yes your probably right, science has proven meditation to be quite beneficial to the whole of one's physical self, science is yet to find out how beneficial to our whole entire self. It is of course also beneficial in rediscovering oneself however it can become a fixated attachment/practice even at the soul level like any other fixated attachment which believe it or not can bring on bad karma as karma is caused by fixations to certain attachments from life to life.

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Mathew

Acceptance of all leads to true spiritual awareness.


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Tawmeeleus
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07/11/13 05:56 PM


Re: STOP Meditating
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Hi Mathew,

This is my opinion, it doesn't mean I am right!

As you know I have a problem when it comes to karma. Karma does not take forgiveness into account.
I believe we all come from unconditional love. There is no such thing as an evil person but there is evil deeds committed by humans.

As I have said before If I forgive someone I do not expect that person to face karmic consequences because of something they did to me. Because at the end of the day. Who is me? In a hundred years who will I or self or any of us be?

The self serves a purpose because we have to survive this world, In a reality where you do not have to survive what good would a self be?

Meditation is when we as humans are still and allow our soul to soar and feel who we really are. LOVE.

It is also the only time we actually listen to love.

Take care
Tawmeeleus

Edited by Tawmeeleus on 07/11/13 06:01 PM.




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Mathew
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07/11/13 07:35 PM


Re: STOP Meditating
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G'day Tawmeeleus

Karma ins't to me of bad deeds either but of course taking fixated attachments from life to life can be bad for ones own soul as you are experiencing little diversity in having such attachments. Karma to me isn't about doing wrong or right it's just of taking attachments from life to life & living out the same sort of life in similar roles.

I can see how meditation is important to others but we must be wary of such attachments becoming fixated just like any attachment I suppose. I don't meditate to any degree these days because I'm content to learn & experience from diversity however others might not need to learn & experience from diversity any more so they meditate. There is still an air of escapism but it's for a very good reason, why go through something which isn't needed however some people use it to just escape which could lead to a fixation which they could carry on in future lives many times over.

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Mathew

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Enkirch47
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07/11/13 07:38 PM


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Re: STOP Meditating
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I agree, meditation can become a distraction from what we here to do, depending what we here to do. A little bit like astral travel, remote viewing and the like.
Any attachment has a karmic influence, even so there is no good or bad karma, there is only karma in my view.


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Tawmeeleus
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07/12/13 04:47 AM


Re: STOP Meditating
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Hi Mathew,

Again Who is it that is reincarnating?

Is it love or is it a self?

There is no I in love.

Unconditional love does not need karma or self'it just is'


take care
Tawmeeleus

Edited by Tawmeeleus on 07/12/13 04:49 AM.




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Mathew
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07/12/13 07:31 AM


Re: STOP Meditating
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G'day Tawmeeleus

You have a problem with the I & self, I don't.

It is the smaller me who is reincarnating or self as you like to put it for the main reason to give my soul experience to learn by through diversity, you can't learn through diversity in being we or I collectively it has to be self & just I which is what gives us diversity to learn by.

I'm sorry but this I stuff that's so popular at the moment is rubbish to me because it represents segregation for starters of one consciousness to another which represents opposing polarities & conflict not oneness. To believe in this segregation you would have to believe everything of time & space to be an illusion when it can’t be because it vibrates so it exists just in a different consciousness not in an opposing consciousness because to have one consciousness the illusion & the other real you have opposing polarities but if there just different consciousness’s there is no opposition or conflict just a difference.

This is exactly what man has done right throughout the old consciousness just past, we need to think differently now for the new consciousness to take effect I believe & stop finding opposing polarities to everything.

Love
Mathew


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Tawmeeleus
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07/12/13 08:05 AM


Re: STOP Meditating
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Hello Mathew

No. I do not have a problem with any of it,not the way you imply, asking questions and putting another scenario out there is not having a problem.


A problem is the relation between human will and reality. When will and reality do not coincide, the resolution of this gap between reality and will is the solution of the problem. A problem implies a desired outcome coupled with an apparent deficiency, doubt or inconsistency that prevents the outcome from taking place.


I think if someone has a point of view and you do not agree is creating opposing polarities, that were not there in the first place. This is usually a result of one person thinking they are right and that the other is wrong.

Whereas I personally do not believe anyone is right or wrong because everyone only ever has the knowledge that they have! They cannot know what they do not know.

I guess it depends on your intrepretation of what illusion is.

An illusion is a distortion of the senses, revealing how the brain normally organizes and interprets sensory stimulation.

When I talk about illusion I mean that what we see as real in the physical is a perception of a physical reality.

Perception like all energy is not real or solid but we have a physical perception, an illusion of real and solid.

have a nice day Mathew

Edited by Tawmeeleus on 07/12/13 01:17 PM.




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Mathew
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07/12/13 06:23 PM


Re: STOP Meditating
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G’day Tawmeeleus

Are you implying I’m implying what you perceive I’m implying, I’m just implying what I perceive not what you perceive obviously.......Don’t take things to heart Tawmeeleus!!!

Forget the human vessel, we put too much emphasis on it because it’s not who we are so what do we have left? The soul & consciousness which of course we are all a part of. Now the soul can be caught up in human attachments to the extent it thinks it’s just a physical entity however you also have souls that are aware as well. The unaware soul seem separated, the only separation there is is the illusion of separation that’s all which comes down to awareness & this usually comes about by having a soul that has an expanded consciousness through diversity which you call separation or the illusion. What you call separation I call diversity which we expand our consciousness by at the soul & yes human level as well so this naughty separation isn’t that naughty plus it’s the illusion of separation. When we look from outside the human emotional square there is no separation, if there was, oneness would be totally unattainable because you perceive separation as I don’t see separation but totality. This is like this that & the other is spiritual but everything else isn’t especially all the naughty stuff but I on the other hand see it as all spiritual.

Think totally non-humanly, in this lies the truth however most people can’t do this because of previous programming from various human sources from the start. Your only looking at this through human eyes obviously, try looking from outside the square inwards, you would be amazed how unseparated we are!!!

Do you know I get into certain conscious states that I can’t decipher half of what is human, even words have no meaning because to me in this state it’s antiquated & out dated, it’s a real strange feeling loosing most of what is supposed to be recognisable humanly to me. You seem to be just talking about human conscious concepts I’m not!!

We are on quite different wave lengths Tawmeeleus to obviously learn what we must!!!

Love
Mathew


Acceptance of all leads to true spiritual awareness.


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Tawmeeleus
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07/13/13 03:12 AM


Re: STOP Meditating
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Hi Mathew,

I am interested to see that when I say something personal or give a critique you don't like it.

You take it personally and yet accuse me of taking things personally.

I think to call what someone say's 'rubbish' is very personal.

There is learning in everything isn't there?

As for unconditional love, I did say I wasn't perfect if I was I wouldn't be here. The difference is if you apply your rules you have for yourself to me, there is not much difference.

The ego can be hurt but you can't hurt love.

take care
Tawmeeleus






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Mathew
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07/13/13 07:23 PM


Re: STOP Meditating
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G'day Tawmeeleus

Oh no you’re trying to make this personal again, anything I say isn't personal trust me on that please!!

Your perceiving I'm taking this personally, forget the human emotional vessel it is but a vessel for us to learn by that's all, stop taking it so personally all the time Tawmeeleus!!

Show me where I directly called any of your writings rubbish; to make such a statement you must have such proof. I quote: I'm sorry but this I stuff that's so popular at the moment is rubbish to me………Show me where it relates to you directly please otherwise it can’t be personal can it!!!!!!

You have always questioned me about how wrong I am on just about all my threads or posts which is great but I have never in my mind taken it as a personal attack on my ego, I think you better rethink what you are saying here!! Yes I will question your beliefs which you obviously don’t egotistically like obviously but you have put them on a forum site of course they are going to be questioned & they should be questioned as of mine.

Please Tawmeeleus don’t judge me by your own standards because you are way off the mark!!

Love
Mathew

Acceptance of all leads to true spiritual awareness.


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