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Richieb
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Potential to heal?
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Hi,
I went to a Spiritual Awareness class the other day and i had a go at healing. I was paired with an experienced healer. When i gave her healing we both saw white light which she told me was my healing energy. She told me i had potential to be a healer. Can anyone shed any light on this for me? is this healing energy? can anyone be a healer? She also told me that spirit is already working with me in some way but i dont know how.
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Re: Potential to heal?
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White light is the reflection of the collection of all the highest energies. You're the channel, it projects from you. White light heals, protects, shows the way to a lost soul after death, opens and closes vortexes, and can be manipulated into shapes used for astral work, such as surgery. You'll find all that out as you go, as you get in tune with it. "Spirit" being at work with you, what she meant was, you've just become aware of the fact that you were born psychic, everythings just been "turned on" and now the work is to "tune you in", and to which channel you tune into, thats your choice. Follow your own responses to what you read, do, and learn. It will evolve into what you need.


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Thank you for the reply. I would love to be able to recieve messages and be able to heal. I'll continue to learn and see where it takes me..... thanks again for the reply x


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Mathew
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Richie…..”Things will come things will go, what will be is what will be, one can never tell which is which until one awakens enough to tell what one is to be”. …Love Mathew

What this is saying is just go with the flow because as soon as you try to read in what you want it to be it’s usually not which can confuse us even more. Our lives are full of comings & goings not knowing what is coming or going, just let it go & fly with the flow, let it be.

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Ijinfuhen
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Let me ask you, can you give me the defenition of this high energy? furthermore what even is a higher energy?

Within every system is an order, even when chaotic, they all intersect with eachother, they just don`t all interact with eachother.

If this highness what you mean is a vibration that is very fast, or high then is that the right definition?
Also don`t you think that if you are adept in energy use you could basically achieve the same results regardless of what energy you are using?

Thus is this higher energy really high? and is it only responsive to someone tapping into it, or does it allready interact with the rest?

I`m sorry i have to do this, but some misconceptions of high and low, of right and wrong, of dark and light and the list goes on, there is allways an association to something either negative or something positive, but never do i hear anything about neutral, or non interaction, and why it is that if it doesn`t interact with other stuff, then why does it do so when you tap into it?
And why would it be so much better?

Some food for thought

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Re: Potential to heal?
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I'm with Ijinfuhen on this topic. I would like to read a bit more on this higher energy more then just somebody's say so. Energy is just energy, so how do you classify when it is light energy and when its not? And why is light energy so much higher then any other energies? It all seems a bit speculative to me.

The way I see it, darkness should be infinitely more valuable than light because light doesn't teach you anything. If darkness embodies negativity (which I presume most of the people on this forum believe), then isn't it much more beneficial for somebody to learn from a negative experience? Doesn't the pain of knowing what it is to lose a loved one, provide you with a better understanding and ability to comfort somebody else who lost somebody close to him/her? To me, it seems to be a much better stepping stone then most of the things I've read about light properties. But I digress.


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Mathew
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G’day Ijinfuhen & Sexyathiest

Very good questions & here are my very good answers.

What I refer to a higher energy is an energy form that is vibrating faster/quicker also an energy mass that is made up of many vibrative frequencies like living matter compared to non-living matter. Humans are made up of many different vibrative frequencies that’s why a hand for instance looks different to a foot or hair on one part of the body is different to another part of the body, the more & varied the frequencies a mass is made up of the higher the energy flow because it’s the different & numerous frequencies that makes a certain mass higher in vibration than another.

Thought is but another vibration & humans to date have far more vibrative frequencies than an ape for instance this is what makes it of higher intelligence, the more frequencies one has the more thought!!

I know a lot of spiritually aware people don’t believe this but we are always thinking even after death & of course in meditation, how do past loved one’s commune with us? The reason each of us have different variants or levels of vibration is due to our thought. When scientifically measured the frequency brain waves of someone thinking negatively to someone thinking positively is quite astounding, they just don’t use different parts of the brain but one is higher in its frequency rate than the other.

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Re: Potential to heal?
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Richieb, in your OP you asked: "I was paired with an experienced healer. When i gave her healing we both saw white light which she told me was my healing energy. She told me i had potential to be a healer. Can anyone shed any light on this for me? is this healing energy? can anyone be a healer?"

Everyone has their own view on this, here is mine: Yes, we each have Source, Tao, Brahman, God as our basis, and hence we have the inborn potential to become healers. I got my personal start with this with a Reiki class and attunement, and it changed my life. But ten years later, I consider myself merely "a healer in training".

We are all born with a similar constitution, but at the same time some people are born with (or develop early on, as in childhood or adolescence) a truly remarkable gift for healing - just as some people have a gift for dance, visual art, music, growing plants, fixing machines, telling stories, etc.

I'm not talking about theory or self-delusion, but about achieving tangible results.

I don't represent this individual, haven't met him, but have a look at Zhi Gang Sha's channel on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/user/zhigangsha
He is providing very many single-session physical healings that powerfully affect some very serious health conditions. The Youtube vids show healing occuring, the immediate aftermaths of healings, and testimonials from people (including at least on MD - who was treated for a heart attack).

So, to sum up my little thought about healers, we are all constituted the same way, but are not at all equal in our degree of development at healers.


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Mathew
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The following is interesting & I bet not too many people knew this or ever thought while meditating that our brain waves go up a notch not go down like when in deep sleep in delta range.

Gamma brain waves (39-100 hz) are involved in higher mental activity and consolidation of information. An interesting study has shown that advanced Tibetan meditators produce higher levels of gamma than non-meditators both before and during meditation.

The link below is quite interesting:
http://www.brainandhealth.com/Brain-Waves.html

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What I refer to a higher energy is an energy form that is vibrating faster/quicker also an energy mass that is made up of many vibrative frequencies like living matter compared to non-living matter. Humans are made up of many different vibrative frequencies that’s why a hand for instance looks different to a foot or hair on one part of the body is different to another part of the body, the more & varied the frequencies a mass is made up of the higher the energy flow because it’s the different & numerous frequencies that makes a certain mass higher in vibration than another.



I still have no clue why this energy has to be light according to people on this forum. It seems to be like just another artifact from religion.

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Thought is but another vibration & humans to date have far more vibrative frequencies than an ape for instance this is what makes it of higher intelligence, the more frequencies one has the more thought!!



This is not true. Thoughts are not vibrations, they are the result of chemicals in your brain. Your whole body is the result of your brain ordering your muscles to react to the chemicals in your brain. I'm not saying that that is all there is to it, but I'm not much for speculating.

As for non-human apes (biologically, humans are apes as well): you would be surprised at how intelligent they are. If you don't think that other apes such as gorilla's share the same emotions and thought patterns as us, I urge you to watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJglyBAqBBU

Its a video of Koko, a gorilla that can communicate with humans almost fluently in sign language. In this video you can see him naming a cat friend, and later expressing his grief when the cat had died by accident.


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G’day SexyAtheist

Light psychologically is uplifting where’s darker colours are more depressing & that is a fact so it makes sense to utilise light instead of dark psychologically. If one was to visualise throwing darkness at everyone the brain pattern will be different to throwing light. Because of the psychological depressing effect of dark in the first place throwing such a thing at people will obviously be more harmful to everyone especially to oneself.

Quote: This is not true. Thoughts are not vibrations,……what!!! How many links do you want me to give you that say thought is a vibration? Take a look at this one for starters will we…. http://www.brainandhealth.com/Brain-Waves.html

What are the atoms of a chemical compound doing? Vibrating as every form & mass has vibrating atoms/molecules. What do you think is vibrating to make up form? If you said atoms you would be right brain waves are no different, to have waves something would have to be vibrating wouldn’t it?

How many apes have gone to the moon on their own or developed & utilised the most primitive of tools, Stone Age tools, how evolved have they become without human intervention? SexyAtheist you can’t be for real!!

You seem to have a lot of conflicts with religion, I think you should look from within to find your answers you are looking for not from others, this is a bit of very good advice form a person who has been there & done that!! I no longer have conflicts with religion as I can see its purpose in life for most people & this was done from looking from within.

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Light psychologically is uplifting where’s darker colours are more depressing & that is a fact so it makes sense to utilise light instead of dark psychologically. If one was to visualise throwing darkness at everyone the brain pattern will be different to throwing light. Because of the psychological depressing effect of dark in the first place throwing such a thing at people will obviously be more harmful to everyone especially to oneself.



This is the thing though: these emotions that a lot of people associate with dark patterns aren't always justified. Somebody can look at a spider on a wall and think its a nasty, creepy thing because that would be a natural psychological reaction. But is this reaction justified by default? Of course not. We grew to understand that spiders have many useful functions in our world. We grow out of superstition, and into understanding. Our world isn't just black and white, and many things don't always happen for a good or bad reason.

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Quote: This is not true. Thoughts are not vibrations,……what!!! How many links do you want me to give you that say thought is a vibration? Take a look at this one for starters will we…. http://www.brainandhealth.com/Brain-Waves.html



I've seen that website, and I haven't seen anything about vibrations on it. Unless you mean frequencies? There's a difference between the two terms though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency

Its true that atoms have a certain vibration though.

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How many apes have gone to the moon on their own or developed & utilised the most primitive of tools, Stone Age tools, how evolved have they become without human intervention? SexyAtheist you can’t be for real!!



Non-human apes (again, humans are apes too) haven't traveled to the moon because we humans happen to be the dominant species on this planet. Just because we as a species specialize in certain things doesn't make us a better species than others. Chimpanzee's for example are better at calculating and memorizing than us. Don't believe me? Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVlJv7ZkvGA

See? We all have our specialties. We humans had more time and input to develop our technology.

When it comes to tools, pretty much all of the great apes have passed this stadium. You can find plenty of footage on the internet of chimpanzee's using rocks to crack open fruits, or using lubricated sticks as tools to catch ants in an anthill. This is not something new either, this is pretty common among all apes.

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You seem to have a lot of conflicts with religion, I think you should look from within to find your answers you are looking for not from others, this is a bit of very good advice form a person who has been there & done that!! I no longer have conflicts with religion as I can see its purpose in life for most people & this was done from looking from within.



I don't have much 'conflict' with religion, or much with anything for that matter. However, I do have a lot of questions for the religious elite because they happen to be the overwhelming majority on this planet. Its true that atheism is on the rise for the last few decades, but when you have such an overwhelming majority that believes in a deity (especially the people that run our countries!) you shouldn't shy away from asking a couple of questions.


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G’day Sexy Atheist

Yes I agree with you SexyAtheist that a lot of people only associate light with good & dark with evil or bad which obviously isn’t the case, we learn from diversity & dark is diverse to light so without dark the light wouldn’t teach us a thing especially in realties like this one of time & space. So what this is saying is darkness is very positive not negative at all as some of us would like to perceive. Other people have just got their own way in dealing with life, many people have a problem with darkness, ego or negativity, they must look within themselves to find out why. I don’t have these problems but I try not to knock those who do as it’s just their way of life & the path they wish to follow. If they’re not harming me I’m fine with it!!

Have you heard of the term vibrative frequency? A frequency can’t exist unless it’s vibrating &/or oscillating.

Yes we are descendants of the apes however unlike the apes we have evolved & of course it took many thousands of yrs to evolve. Take a look at how the skulls have evolved, this will tell you how we have evolved further within our intelligence & now take a look at ape skulls over the same period in how the skulls have changed which denote how they haven’t evolved in comparison to humans!!

Did these chimps learn to calculate without human intervention? No & Yes we all have our own specialties but how many stone tools did apes create not just use like stone axes for instance or use flint to make fire???

And yes you should question but one needs to be aware while doing so not to force one’s own ideology onto others which happens quite a bit especially between two opposing polarities like atheism & theism. We learn from diversity & theism is diverse to atheism, learn from it don’t just knock it & the people associated with it.

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Someone suggested, energy is energy, it is all the same.
This is like saying, water is just water, it is all the same.
I would say, some water is purer then other.
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Yes I agree with you SexyAtheist that a lot of people only associate light with good & dark with evil or bad which obviously isn’t the case, we learn from diversity & dark is diverse to light so without dark the light wouldn’t teach us a thing especially in realties like this one of time & space. So what this is saying is darkness is very positive not negative at all as some of us would like to perceive. Other people have just got their own way in dealing with life, many people have a problem with darkness, ego or negativity, they must look within themselves to find out why. I don’t have these problems but I try not to knock those who do as it’s just their way of life & the path they wish to follow. If they’re not harming me I’m fine with it!!



But if people were using darkness, would that make it incorrect according to you? Not trying to knock you, I'm just asking questions because I'm curious if you would be open to other methods besides the ones that religion taught us (light, prayer etc.). For me it wouldn't make a difference, really. If you say that you keep somebody in your thoughts, then to me that sounds way more universal than sending somebody light and prayer, or anything like that.

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Have you heard of the term vibrative frequency? A frequency can’t exist unless it’s vibrating &/or oscillating.



No I haven't. I did do some Google searching for this, but I didn't find anything substantial. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place though, but it sounds reasonable enough.

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Yes we are descendants of the apes however unlike the apes we have evolved & of course it took many thousands of yrs to evolve. Take a look at how the skulls have evolved, this will tell you how we have evolved further within our intelligence & now take a look at ape skulls over the same period in how the skulls have changed which denote how they haven’t evolved in comparison to humans!!



Ofcourse we evolved differently, but the point I was trying to make is that intelligence is a very broad term and there are many intelligent animals besides us. It all depends on our specialties.

For example, a raven can use tools to reach his food, and it can talk better and more fluently than a parrot can.

We humans usually associate the things that we do with intelligence. We are very social creatures for example, so we regard this as intelligent. But wolves for example have a very complex family structure in their packs, and they have unique ways of communicating with each other. You see what I'm getting at?

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Did these chimps learn to calculate without human intervention? No & Yes we all have our own specialties but how many stone tools did apes create not just use like stone axes for instance or use flint to make fire???



If you've seen the video, they say that the researchers used six different chimps for this test and they all passed with flying colours with the only reward being a peanut. You could argue that the chimp puts a lot more value to a peanut than a human being does, but its very impressive nonetheless I think.

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And yes you should question but one needs to be aware while doing so not to force one’s own ideology onto others which happens quite a bit especially between two opposing polarities like atheism & theism. We learn from diversity & theism is diverse to atheism, learn from it don’t just knock it & the people associated with it.



I don't have an ideology, as I've told you before. I don't see how asking questions is knocking anyone's beliefs. As I've said, an overwhelming majority should expect these kinds of questions.


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G'day Enkirch47

Very well put Enkirch47 because you put it so simply but it still says a lot, clever!!

We look at an energy form as just being one energy form like lightning but it's not as any energy form can be made up of many energy forms like the human body for instance.

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G’day SexyAtheist

Let’s take a look at religion; you’re obviously denoting light with religion when right throughout human history it actually used dark like with the dark ages for instance. When one uses fear to be still their beliefs on to others that is obviously of the dark, it’s not light because one is using fear not love & some religion are still doing this today so no I don’t relate religion to just light & in actual fact some religions are of the dark obviously. So are these religions of dark helpful? Yes because it again gave us diversity for us to learn by however if we keep to just the dark side all we will do in the end is wipe ourselves off the face of the Earth, obviously.

SexyAtheist we have always used the dark to learn by & rediscover ourselves at every level including the soul level however look where it has gotten us, balance would have been a better fortitude to follow.

I’m not just denoting intelligence to just humans however we have evolved more than any other animal species however in saying this we are also in my mind at the bottom of the animal chain because there is no other animal that kills it’s environment off to the extent we can & do & there is no other animal except for a domesticated cat that will torture & kill for the fun of it & this is only the tip of the iceberg, how dark is this? Every other animal on this Earth is far more spiritual than we are to date because it lives in relative peace with its natural environment but modern man with all its intelligence doesn’t so in actual fact intelligence doesn’t obviously denote wisdom or spiritual connectedness!!

This is exactly why humans have always in every way sort spiritual connectedness, in actual fact all we had to do is live within the natural environment to gain this not through some type of religion or ism however because of our religious & political dark ways in the past & present we are still seeking other ways of finding this connectedness through isms. I’m not an ism person because I can see all it is doing is being dark & in actual fact I think mankind has always lived in the dark but because of this we are still trying to find our way by any means except by the means that would actually work, living peacefully within the natural environment.

As quote: I don't have an ideology. You believe in an ism & isms denote an ideology of some kind otherwise you wouldn’t follow the concepts/beliefs of atheism or call yourself an atheist!!!

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There are plenty of religions that talk of 'light' and 'prayer'. Why are these ideas not related to your idea of these terms all of a sudden? You apply them in pretty much the same way as any religious person would as far as I can tell, so I don't see any point in making a difference.

I do agree with you on the middle paragraph. We as humans lost a lot of connection with our instinct. This instinct is still there, but we're largely unaware of it nowadays and that's a shame.

There's no ideology to atheism, as I've explained to you before. Atheism is the rejection of the belief that a god exists and nothing more. Its a non-factor.

Therefore, atheism is a non-belief, and it is not a religion in the same way that bald is not a hair colour. Do you think you can have a hobby out of not collecting stamps? Of course not, but that's the kind of argument you're making here.


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Personally, I'm not interested in debate about religion vs non-religion (or anti-religion). But I'll offer two thoughts:

Don't consider "spirituality" and "religion" to be equivalent. For instance, I'm not affiliated with any religion, and many people on forums such as this aren't, either.

Second thing is that spirituality may have been (probably was) at the fountainhead of religions - personal spiritual experience. And long ago (when religions were founded) individuals may have found that certain metaphors, descriptors, or expressions seemed apt for their experience. Hence, the descriptors ("light", etc) may have come first, and may not have been determined by the religious elaborations that developed later. SexyAtheist, you may be putting the cart before the horse, in your critique.

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quote:

Don't consider "spirituality" and "religion" to be equivalent. For instance, I'm not affiliated with any religion, and many people on forums such as this aren't, either.



So you're an atheist then. Perhaps agnostic?

I don't equate spirituality to religion at all, I can assure you. In fact, many atheists I know practice some form of spirituality. The thing that I find kind of interesting though is that many people in communities like this one only practice spirituality in a religious nature (light, prayer, god). Which makes it seem a bit as if religion has some kind of monopoly on spirituality.
I don't think this has anything to do with spirituality being older than religious, to which I agree again with you that spirituality is probably older. However, I don't think religions were formed from a spiritual basis, because it wouldn't have any need. It would be cumbersome to invent a religion if the spiritual basis was already there. Why would anyone fix something that isn't broken? I think most of the major religions on this planet were formed out of power greed. Why else would they need giant towering churches in every town and city? Easy: to show to the rest of the world that their religion rules there. To show that they have the power. But I'm getting way off-topic now.

I think debating religion can be interesting, as long as people acknowledge each others points and don't argue like little kids.


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On the subject of vibration then.

It is possible to vibrate an energy regardless of it`s nature to a lower or higher vibrative state of it`s norm.
As energy can be altered or transformed, like how you make less volts of a higher voltage in any adapter.

It`s a bit like that.

So regardless of the energy you can make it a higher vibration, but it`s effects do not always support this.
Thus effects change, property change through change of substance.
Like stretching time, duration becomes slower to perception outside of the stretched time.
On both sides that is.
So a property alteration doesn`t mean the natural effect will stay the same or become better or more intense.
Intensity comes with volume of energy and it`s density.

Low density energies have less intense effects then high density energies.
But that also depends on the type of energy, so it`s not a simple 1+1=2 outcome.

Same as with light and darkness, if you increase vibration of light energy it simply becomes more active, it spreads out more and accumulates itself in a steady structure, that means that when you make it higher it stretches but is still attached to each other, but it is much more brittle.

When you lower it however it becomes less stretched and more sturdy, less easy to poke some other energy inbetween and break it.

If you make darkness higher it stretches out aswell, but it becomes more sticky and elastic and doesn`t move well.
It is harder to control since you are dealing with something with viscocity.
It doesn`t break, but clings to everything.

If you lower it it becomes more dense and solid.
It is easier to control in terms of direction, but it`s mass also requires a different approach, since the space between each particle of energy becomes very small.
However that also cause it to draw in other energies and it converts them, or rather it assimilates the energies into itself.
The mass grows but it does so in a non-symetrical manner and makes your end result look like a blob of darkness wich has hardened

However if you keep both of these energies in it`s normal state, they actually don`t interfere with eachother.

They both don`t sway to one another, and if you allow them to you can combine them into a mix, although that mix won`t give a new colour or something.
Nor will it cancel out one another, only then it starts interacting with eachother.

And when it does it doesn`t sway to either one.
It actually allows you to combine effects of dark and light into a new system.

And since each weakness of the other is covered, neither seperate light, nor seperate dark can come in between it, it is repelled.

That`s why i always said that using both is much more benefitial.
Plus the false notion of dark is negative and light is positive is also false.

A lower vibration turns into a negative value and a high vibration turns into a positive value, but not in the sense of i like this this is positive and i don`t like this this is negative, it simply means positive and negative as in + and -

Can you try this and see for yourself if this was accurate?

i`m back


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So you're an atheist then. Perhaps agnostic?

I don't equate spirituality to religion at all, I can assure you. In fact, many atheists I know practice some form of spirituality.


No, I wouldn't call myself an atheist. I'm a modern human being, and a spiritually oriented person. I can see some good in the core beliefs (or better, insights or perceptions) of many religions.

I agree that if you look at religions historically, pretty well all of them have become involved, at times, with power games. Some more than others, and some for longer stretches of time than others.

Some modern spiritual people of the last century or so have seen the world's existing large-scale religions as, on the one hand, shrines to the eternal truths, and on the other, encrusted institutions that smother the essential truths. But reformers of religions in ages past have also felt this way, going back thousands of years.

When historians of individual religions look at something like primitive Christianity (1st-century AD) or early Buddhism, they find that groups of people sharing the same or very similar perceptions or inspiration had to evolve a set of observances and customs that allowed them to meet, live around each other, and get along in ordinary human matters. These are a large part of the basis of the original norms and codes of behavior amongst the participants or "followers".

As time goes on, these norms and ethics get much elaborated. I believe that for a certain period of time the elaboration is largely practical. As soon as there's acceptance and maybe patronage from wealthy and powerful people, or links to rulers and governments (etc), the whole concept and game can become more enmeshed in prestige, ceremony, power, money, control of adherents and maybe of a whole populace in general.

By personal inclination, I'd say I feel more sympathetic to mystical religions (aspects of Buddhism, or Vedantic Hinduism, or "primitive Christianity") than to fundamentally ethical religions like Judaism, Islam, or Confucianism. But I don't belong to any of these.

Still, I feel people and communities and societies do need ethics. I'm not sure it's "religious" to value what seems to one to be "socially good". I once lived for two winters in a shared household of six adults - it turned out we needed some rules. I once lived for several years on shared rural land, with separate households - it turned out we needed agreed-upon habits. Larger communities of people have similar needs, and on a somewhat larger scale.

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No, I wouldn't call myself an atheist. I'm a modern human being, and a spiritually oriented person. I can see some good in the core beliefs (or better, insights or perceptions) of many religions.



That doesn't disqualify an atheist though.


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That doesn't disqualify an atheist though.


Seems to me people adopt or identify with a label: Christian, Buddhist, Jew, Muslim, atheist, etc. The simple thing is, I don't identify with the label "athiest".

You do, and that's fine.


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Heal the self first.

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There are many ways to heal.

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Human beings need rules because we don't trust ourselves not to run amok without them.

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II don't mind rules, as long as those making the rules also abide by them. which in a lot of cases they don't.


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