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Mathew
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07/14/13 03:04 AM


Spiritual Assimilation
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As we become more aware especially of how aware our soul is the less spontaneity we will experience & the less individual we feel, this can be quite daunting to some. Recently, through the assistance of some of my internet friends, I found out how much I was in deliberate ignorance of my soul’s awareness which in turn allowed me to make some fundamental mistakes in my judgment & in what I have been writing. Here I was talking about a consciousness that doesn’t coincide with what this new or the previous consciousness was about, I was talking about, at times, of a quite different consciousness without knowing about it because I wanted spontaneity & individualism which of course relates to the ego which I also loved, in other words I ignored my own knowing through my souls awareness however some of it did obviously seep through & this was the problem.

If I was to ignore my souls awareness all together being of the ego wouldn’t have mattered however here I was writing about spiritual awareness without knowing of my souls awareness to any great extent except for a few experiences over time. What I did to a person that was right in her domain was tell her there is more than what she was writing about but this more I was sprouting about has no relevance to this new consciousness but what she was writing about is & in turn she became quite offended which of course is fair enough. Because I wasn’t aware enough of my soul & what I knew through my soul’s awareness I was way off the beaten track, I wasn’t assimilating very well at all. If I stayed ignorant all would have been fine but I wasn’t totally.

I knew that my writings weren’t’ for everyone including my blog but I didn’t until now realise how few people my writings are going to make sense too. Here I was focussing on assimilating in this consciousness but at the same time writing & talking about different consciousness’s all at the same time without really knowing about it because I just write what I’m told to write, I should have been more humanly aware of my own souls awareness more instead I was still trying to ignore it while writing about other consciousness’s quite different from this one. Of course writing about other consciousness’s is fine, many spiritually aware people do this on a regular basis but because I was ignorant of my souls awareness too much I confused this consciousness with other consciousness’s.

Most of what I’ve written is in accord with this reality however at times I have over stepped the mark & wondered off talking about other consciousness’s & not being aware of it because of my ignorance. The person I offended was talking about this new consciousness & what we will be learning in this consciousness like unconditional love & understanding but I was talking way past that which has nothing to do with this consciousness because we are just not there yet individually & collectively so what was the point in doing so on my part!!

What I need to do now is stop trying to confuse people with a consciousness that is probably way past their soul’s awareness thus understanding & try to stick to what’s relevant for this consciousness plus I need to assimilate more with in this consciousness by becoming more aware of my souls awareness because in this comes not just knowing but wisdom in knowing how to use that inner knowing in the first place. “All it takes to wake up is a little bit of wisdom!!”

Sorry Tawmeeleus



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Tawmeeleus
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Re: Spiritual Assimilation
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Hi Mathew,

No one needs to apologise.

Although I wouldn't recommend it very often, it is good to see ourselves through someone else's eyes every now and again. It shines light on what we need to work on and makes us learn and grow.

I know it has made me look within and work on what I need to change about me.

I think it keeps us humble and I don't know about you but I think a bit of humility every now and again is good for the soul.

Just one question?

What kind of consciousness is way past unconditional love and understanding?

take care
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Schwanke
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Re: Spiritual Assimilation
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Ok. So I am seeing lots of references to lots of kinds of consciousnesses but cant tell if you are all using similar definitions for different things, or what.

I know of the universal/global/collective consciousness. All minds are connected. Thats the easy one.

I know of the local singular consciousness our own.

This post here though seems to imply that the global consciousness goes in cycles. That we are moving from one to another and that our 'next' one is Perfect Love. Is this correct?

If that is the case then I can see a very clear lineage of human evolution of the human collective consciousness evolving its AWARENESS of the Consciousness of Love and Truth. There by we are moving into an awareness of it. But this Consciousness has always been there we have just been too blind to see it.

Does that make sense? I know I have been aware of the Consciousness of Truth and Love all of my life but it was soo far behind the veil for me as a child that I had to ruin my mind and suffer actual brain damage before I could see it clearly enough to say "Oh! Thats what I was looking for!"

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Mathew
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Re: Spiritual Assimilation
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G’day Tawmeeleus

Yes one should always not be afraid to apologise when a wrong or misperception has led to conflict, it’s got nothing to do with being humble it’s just good manners & sense however humbleness is a positive virtue to possess as well!!

You’re asking me a question that has very little to do with this consciousness. I have the understanding that we have 12 dimensions, each dimension has its own lesson to be learnt at the soul level. I also have the understanding we are entering the 5th dimension with is all about the soul learning about unconditional love & oneness the next dimension I’m presuming after that will be about learning to live with telepathy & inter stellar or universal conscious knowledge without books & other teaching media devices which will be a huge one for our souls to learn. Of course we have a lot of souls from the 7th dimension that have to learn to assimilate again in previous dimensions in various ways; I’m not doing so well because of my fixated attachments to physical being however I do love the game & that is my problem. There are of course souls that are of higher dimensional understanding (awareness) on earth as well.

Unconditional love & oneness is but of one dimension but of course our souls once we learn this will always be knowing of this, unconditional love & oneness is but one lesson not the be & end all. I know you are fixated in thinking that love is everything but in my mind it’s but one lesson with in a chain of lessons. Do we take our previous lessons learnt to the next dimension? Most definitely!!!

I don’t really wish to discuss this with you any further because it just leads to conflict & misperception of personal attacks & please don’t take what I have said as gospel it is just my interpretation that’s all, it’s not absolute truth, OK.

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Mathew


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Tawmeeleus
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Re: Spiritual Assimilation
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Hi Mathew,

I have learned so much from you.

Telepathy is possible now, it is not all about dimensions but about love. Pure love can reach all dimensions. It is what we are all trying to attain to. Yes you are right I am all about love, it is the only thing in life that I am good at, talking about love.

I wonder sometimes when we have mastered the ego what the next evolution will be. I think maybe there maybe something greater than the human ego.

I am sorry you feel this way. I can and have taken criticism and critique and you are welcome to do both whenever you like without me taking it personally.

Once in months I happened to be vulnerable and I lashed out. There was a time I didn't have the will or the energy to do that. I thought to get angry was not about love and then I was reminded that I am not perfect and that I am human.

I will respect your wishes and I will not discuss with you again.

You know they say a friend is not a friend until you have fallen out and made up.

I never mean to hurt anyone it just happens sometimes, it is life.

take care my friend
Tawmeeleus

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Mathew
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G'day Tawmeeleus

You have taught me a major lesson.

Don't get me wrong when I say that you have a fixation to love as this fixation is appropriate to this time, mines not. People like you are the forerunners of what people are going to learn within this consciousness now I perceive & people like me should learn to shut there mouths. As I have stated in my posts on my blog not all fixated attachments are bad, mines just not helpful at this time being.

When I talk about lessons I'm talking collectively meaning everyone will be learning things like telepathy not just a few & in actual fact it will be more prevalent within this new consciousness (dimension) but nothing like it will be known in the next dimension, through away the books it's all just there anyway.

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I will respect your wishes and I will not discuss with you again.



No you don't get it, I was referring to not discussing about looking beyond unconditional love & oneness because we both have quite different views on that, it would make no sense to discuss this between you & I again because we both know where we each stand on the matter. I'm saying you are right about not seeing past unconditional love & oneness because that is of the now but I can't help looking beyond it at the time being.

One more thing, you didn't hurt anyone but yourself believe it or not, yes I was disappointed with you & myself but I didn't take it to heart, well maybe I took it to heart with disappointing myself again, I suppose we both should know better!!

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Re: Spiritual Assimilation
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To the original post:
It was funny, when I glanced over the title I read: Spiritual assassination. And thought, aah this is something new.
But we are talking about assimilation. I read the first paragraph of the post and belief I know what it is all about. I am not a friend of long post and usually stay away from them. It is my understanding, the more words the less accuracy. But this is not a criticism but rather an observation.
Coming back to the assimilation process.
It is quite normal for the personality to be afraid of the process of becoming one with the rest of Self. I still remember the period when I dealt with this.
It is the body/mind who has trepidations about it, not spirit. The spirit at this point simply can not remember what it is like. And we are here to experience separation. Even so this separation never existed.
The more we make peace with the body/mind part of the personality the more it will trust us, be at peace with the process of becoming One.
Make the Ego your friend and everything will become much simpler.


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Re: Spiritual Assimilation
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Hehe. Ive been involved in spiritual assasinations before lol. I go on military hunts on a regular basis and deal with evil spirits and the like in this way.

As for long posts. Being a long poster I'll only mention that I feel coming at a target from multiple angles using multiple technics is far more accurate then only using one bullet from one gun and hoping you got the wind right. Most people are not snipers but many people are equiped with a wide variety of tools and weapons and being able to use multiple technics simultaneously can ensure the job gets done accurately.

As for this 12 dimensions stuff. Thats a bit for me to swallow lol. I mean I can see infinite dimensions but being tied down to 12 doesnt make sense to me. I also know there is nothing beyond Unconditional Lovoe. There may be human evolution in the process of acheiving unconditional love but achieving unconditional love is the ultimate end goal. Ive done telepathy several times though not on purpose except in the sense that I 'forgot' to use my mouth and the person with me heard me anyway. So yeah we could reach a point in which we are bodyless or can do telekensis or teleportation or telepathy, hey! We've already had the telephone, telegraph and teletubbies! but ultimately the end result of any "I" is to achieve perfect awareness of "Perfect Love" and be 'As One' with that Perfect Love.

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Mathew
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G'day Enkirch47

Yes it's the illusion of separation that gives us our diversity that our souls evolve from I believe, it's not an actual separation it's just an illusion of.

The mind, body ego is all a part of us & spirituality & once we become excepting instead of conflicting with it bob's your uncle but of course that doesn't seem too easy in realities like this one with so many distractions.

It's strange to want to rid ourselves of the ego & alike before we have a chance to really get to know it, very conflictive & totally unaccepting!! I think once we learn to live in harmony with the ego our awareness & outlook will change quite dramatically over time.

This is funny because most non-spiritually aware people accept the ego but a lot of spiritually aware people don't, who's really more spiritual at the soul level????

Love
Mathew



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Mathew
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Re: Spiritual Assimilation
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G'day Schwanke

Yes it does at first glance seem like we are tied down but of course feeling tied down is very much of the ego not of total acceptance.

The dimensions are infinite within the twelve because they are continually changing as no two dimension will ever be totally alike. Twelve is but a figure of speech however knowing only goes so far so twelve is that stop off point as there is no more to know however , this is where I think we get it mixed up, the different experiences one can get from the twelve dimensions is infinite, no two energy forms can experience the same exact experience ever I feel even if you relived the same dimension time & time again.

Let's put it this way, I could go through this dimension again but it would be in a different energy form, you only have to change one energy form & the differences would be astounding but we are still in the same dimensions learning the same thing but quite differently. It is infinite, not in the knowing but in the experience of the knowing.

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Schwanke
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Re: Spiritual Assimilation
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Still tryin to figure out what the ego is but I think my problem is the fact that every time I try to access a definition of the ego in the collective consciousness i get hundreds of people replying with hundreds of definitions and it just all blurs together.

If this is off topic or referenced somewhere else, forgive me and please redirect me to a more appropriate venue.

Is the ego the mind-body connection or the mind-body-spirit connection? I was working with the term "I" before as the 'self' that we interact with with other people. The portion that contains our 'awareness'. That is that the "I" grows in awareness from nothing into hopefully someday total communion with Perfect Love.

Is the ego the carnal self that pulls against that? (Kind of why I would think some people would want to rid themselves of that.)

If thats the case then I dont think its healthy for people to rid themselves of the ego, its more healthy for someone to understand it and control it. Its not about escaping the ego its about controlling the ego, not letting the ego control you.

The ego would be the awareness of self that is carnal and bodily in nature then? Like the enjoyment of sex or the enjoyment of a good nights sleep or the enjoyment of a chocolate sundae. In these cases the enjoyment of carnal things by the ego is not the problem its when the ego lusts and craves after these things unhealthily.

You cant rid yourself of the ego then. It is a part of you as much as breathing. You can only learn to understand it and to make sure that you control it and it does not control you.

Does that make sense? Am I close?

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Schwanke
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I think the use of the 12 dimensions just clouds the issue. Leaving it as infinite and call it day makes much more sense to me.

I do know your point about each being unique energy forms and no two are alike. In this paradigm we could define each person's existance as a dimension and each of these personal dimensions is unique to each person with a component of the dimension itself being unique. If a person tried to pass through the same dimension twice it would be a different dimension because the first dimension was only passed through once while the second 'copy dimension' was passed through twice. Ad infinitum.

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Haha. Found a forum bug. I just got an email telling me I replied to myself.

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Mathew
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G'day Schwanke

Yes it should be about controlling the ego instead of it controlling you.

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Mathew
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G'day Schwanke

The twelve dimension are infinite not in the learning but in the experiences one can get from the knowing form each dimension. Each dimension is there to teach a certain thing like grades in school, what is above is below however like school grades if one was to stay down a grade you wouldn't quite get the same exact experience as the year before because it has change in some way like the criteria of the lessons, teacher & even the other students, it all changes the experience & the effect so in fact within the twelve dimensions it's infinite.

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Assassinations
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Sorry Mathew, this post has very little to do with your first post, and I can delete it if inappropriate.
For a few days now I have wondered why I cam back to this board, besides the email I received.
There is always something to understand.
There seam to be several on this board who have a connection to a highly evolved being in service to self, or STS, or simply of the dark.
It needs to be clear, Service to self or service to others are equally valid paths for a spirit to take.
I, myself belong to a group of entities and beings who are neither. We serve all that is, we serve the dark as well as the light and all that in between.
I don't want to go into to much detail, just saying, as we evolve as a spirit, through the densities, (we are just leaving the density of choice, and moving into the density of unconditional love, followed by the density of wisdom) and reach the higher levels of the density of wisdom, we need to fully integrate all aspect of learning. Meaning, if we followed the path of the dark we need to fully integrate all aspects of the light in order to move to the next level, which is the density of Union. And of cause those of the light need to full integrate all aspects of the dark. We need to come to a balance point.
The dark seams to have a harder time to integrate the light then the other way around. For obvious reasons. Most of those beings find, they need to create an extension of themselves into the lower densities, in order to learn about the light, and then integrating it into their system.
I cam across several of those extensions, but never so many in one place. Interesting.
Yet, there is at least one here trying to prevent it.
Spiritual assassination?



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Schwanke
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Re: Assassinations
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I'm not too worried about enlightenment and awareness and progression through levels and the like. Ive already been told I 'make it' in this lifetime and its merely the process of experiencing it. All of the stuff Enkirch talks about Ive already experienced to greater and lesser degrees I just need to take the time and make it formal. But since I've been told I have all the time in the world with my ability to step outside of time as needed Ive decided to take the lazy route and just enjoy reality for a bit.

I tend to burst. I tend to disengage the base reality for anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours then do what I call 'spiking' which is progress up through all of the levels at an insane speed then spend a few minutes there and come back down. But its like you said its never the same thing twice so I always land somewhere different then where I left.

I deal with non-human beings regularly however I've also been told I've mastered awareness of them in this lifetime as well so again its just taking the time to formalize things. When I encounter one I discern whether its good or evil, enable the good to better serve their goals and dispose of the evil. Its an absolute good/evil thing so its not really my opinion so much as the opinion of True Love. (And I use True Love as the simple name form for the being I serve. Other names include True Truth and Complete Peace and the like. His real name is "Perfection" however its not measured by human standards so calling him that almost belittles him because it implies that we could even remotely understand how Perfect he is while on a plane where human languages are even remotely tolerated.)

In deed ive learned that the primary purpose of my planar existence in this realm at this time is to have fun! Woohoo! Its not that I let the carnal self take over and destroy spiritual growth in myself. Only that I enjoy all aspects of growth both spiritual and non and can carefree choose which aspects I work on when kind of like a carpenter or blacksmith wandering around his shop looking for some cool old or new project to work on.

I havnt even gotten into the stuff about my various visions and their structure and integrity as they relate to the number of people that I come across in my esoteric travels.

Enkirch. Hello. Didnt know there was a rule on staying on topic. Been wandering around with the mob as Mathew put it for days. Guess I should pay more attention.

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Tawmeeleus
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Re: Assassinations
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Hi,

darkness absorbs light in the physical world. Light reflects.

In no time and nothing above and nothing below suspended in energy, Light is much airier and lighter. Darkness cannot reach light.

Why would anyone who is spiritual in nature want to assassinate anyone?

Spirituality is an inner path not an outer path.

The only enemy is fear and fear is of the dark in the physical world. It does have a purpose however and that is to protect ourselves from things we do not know or understand.

take care
Tawmeeleus

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Re: Assassinations
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The dark absorbs yes your energy if you allow it to do so.
The path of the dark is control, in contrast to the path of the light is to allow.
It you look around this planet you can see very clearly where the dark or those in service to self are.
It manipulates and controls, yes through fear as you stated. And in a state of fear you can be manipulated any way they please.. You give away your energy. One of the most common ways is, to get people to worship something or someone.
Churches, governments and cooperation all work on the same principles. Rule through fear and intimidation. The question is only, to what degree.
We all use control to some degree, this is the dark side of us. It is all a matter of degree.
It becomes different if i choose the dark, the controlling path consciously.
yes, Tawmeeleus, those of the dark have very little chance against those of the light, as long those of the light are aware of their abilities. And if you look around this planet, there are very few at this time who are fully aware what they can do, what they are capable of.
So, from a view point of the dark, the controller, the one in service to self, as long you can keep the masses in a sleep state, ignorant, you can do what ever you want. Which has been happening for the last few thousand of years.
Now back to the assassination parts.
I am a wanderer, and there are millions at this point on this planet. We go where ever we are needed in this verse or in any other verse. We mostly come from the density of wisdom, or what some call the fifth density. Some come in for a few incarnations, I come in for one. It takes some practice to be able to come in for one life time and move out again.
We are conduits first and foremost.
And now to the assassination part, there is no greater joy to a dark entity then render one of us useless or even tun us to the dark. We are prime targets. Don't underestimate the dark, they are very skillful in manipulating the individual as well as the masses.
Just look around you, the masses are glued to their TV screens, go to their 9-5 jobs and belief energy and finances are finite. You have to fight for it, and that is what everyone does. Or you follow them into the churches like a sheep. Not any different with Indian "gurus".
Be awake and aware

Edited by Enkirch47 on 07/15/13 07:10 PM.




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Mathew
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Re: Assassinations
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G'day Enkirch47

Interesting stuff Enkirch47 & yes I can relate in what you are saying.

The darker side of spirituality I believe has a hard time because of fixated attachments where's the light has only attachments to deal with, it is very hard for a soul to just drop fixated attachments & take on just attachments or no attachments at all in some cases .

It is also hard for light people to see how one can be fixated on the hellish side of life/spirituality but they can & do I believe.

Assassins are everywhere & are really only hurting themselves!!

I don’t mind people getting off the beaten track as it shows expressiveness which should never be suppressed.

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