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Mathew
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07/11/13 07:11 PM


Living Within Your Divine Self
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Finding Oneness: Who wouldnít want to find oneís truer inner divine self, well hopefully this post will assist in such a venture. Living within your divine self is really just remembering who you really are other than what you think you are or conditioned to believe & even at the soul level through fixated attachments we can forget who we are so in all what we need to do is just remember who we really are, simple!!!

No of course itís not simple at all & the more attachments you have from previous lives & consciousnessís the harder it is going to be to remember & most importantly accept who you are as any fixated attachment relates to the negative ego. So what has fixated egotistical attachment got to do with remembering who we are, divine enlightened beings? Fixated attachments give us egotism & individualism; itís this non-individualism we are not accepting because once you remember who you truly are you become as one with everything, no egotistical person wants to be the same as everybody else. The fear of not being an individual is great in this state of consciousness & awareness.

There is also another problem that will hinder ourselves knowing about out true selves which has stemmed from the previous old consciousness, idolisation of something higher than oneself. As I have stated in previous posts, to think of something higher or lower of oneself isnít of true oneness so if you truly want to experience true oneness one must stop idolising or thinking of yourself & others of being inferior or superior. Being inferior has stemmed from human conditioning because there is always someone supposedly more higher in stature & power than us in one time or another in our lives while growing up. This of course has nothing to do with oneness so to start with, we must un-condition ourselves from this conditioning; this is of course done by remembering who we truly are.

I would like to state here there is no true oneness as such just a state of being at one, true oneness is of everything being as one with no individualism, we have individualism in existence so we can only be in the state of being at one ourselves which is in itself a great feeling indeed. We ourselves can feel at one but there is always individualism in existence so not everything is at one at one given time any more.

Remembering: So how does one remember who they are & to be at one & divine in nature & oneself? Now this is the simple part, know your fixated attachments exist in the first place at the human & soul level, it is pointless to know of one without the other if one wants to be truly at one & divine in nature so be aware of your whole self not just the human self of having such fixated afflictions/attachments. Now we need to look at our beliefs, are they conducive to oneness because idolising anything isnít of true oneness however feeling at one with something else that is divine in nature is conducive towards finding oneís own divine nature & that is what we are trying to do here nothing more or less especially if you are reading this. It is fundamentally important not to idolise or denigrate anything higher or lower than yourself. It would help a lot if one was to read various past posts of mine & any other material found in the various links supplied in certain posts.

Ridding ourselves of any fixated attachments is difficult which includes idolisation because we are conditioned from birth & right throughout human history to do just that but it becomes a lot easier when we are aware of the difficulties believe it or not because the more difficult it seems the more aware of the problem you have become & in just doing this you will find when you get to a certain point of awareness of your difficulties you will become enlightened of your truer self & yes believe it or not it is that simple however what isnít simple is dragging out becoming aware of our difficulties, we drag it out because of our attachments & as soon as we realise this to start with you realise you are no longer dragging out becoming aware of our difficulties, you have instantly become aware & knowing of your truer self is but a stoneís throw away from this. What we really need to do is take on a totally different way of thinking to what we have been conditioned too in the old consciousness, my whole blog is on thinking outside the square & if we can do this & start thinking for ourselves again this process of finding oneís truer inner divine self will be a lot easier.


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Enkirch47
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Re: Living Within Your Divine Self
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to me it is very simple,
surrender, and let your divine self do the rest.

Rah nam


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Mathew
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07/11/13 08:12 PM


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G'day Enkirch47

Yes it is that simple however many people have fixated attachments to contend with which won't allow them to surrender & maybe there not supposed to either I suppose.

Once one surrenders the rest is automatic, it is that simple!!!

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Mathew

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Tawmeeleus
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07/12/13 04:15 AM


Re: Living Within Your Divine Self
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Hi Mathew,

Here is my problem with the self.

What if you said I and you discovered that I did not mean I, me, myself that it was collective I?

Who would the self be then? Who would I be then?

What if you could not tell yourself apart from other people and you were living a collective I life?

Living a life knowing that there is no I just collective we!

take care
Tawmeeleus


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Mathew
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07/12/13 07:02 AM


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G'day Tawmeeleus

There is no collective we, for there to be so every living thing would have to be at one at the same given time & in actual fact there couldn't be realities of time & space either as this represents individuality as well. Yes when we are in certain conscious states of awareness we feel everything as one however if there is one consciousness that isnít conscious of oneness everything canít be at one & totally collective in realities of time & space.

I personally donít have a problem with the self or I as itís only a part of the smaller me, we unnecessarily complicate the smaller self, the human self by conflicting with Iís, selves & egoís instead of focussing on the real weís & usís.

How many people live a collective I as in we in this reality? Very few therefore itís not collective to every living thing just to the state of the I consciousness who knows itís actually we not I however to be totally collective everyone & every consciousness would also have to be in that state of conscious awareness. The thing is I donít see this reality of being an illusion but many do because if it vibrates & everything vibrates it exists & if it exists how can it be an illusion?

For there to be no smaller selves or Iís & selves you would have to believe this reality & every other reality of time & space to be an illusion which I donít think is the case but of course many do because they have been told there is.

Yes we are one in one consciousness but not in others, which one is the real illusion? None because itís just a difference of consciousnessís, see how we have complicated things by not just seeing them as differences but opposing polarities, one is the illusion & the other real whatever that might mean & if you have opposing polarities you have conflict, itís just a difference of consciousnessís not opposing polarities. We need to stop being told & start thinking for ourselves within this new consciousness for this new consciousness to take hold, start using our own inner knowing.

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Mathew

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Tawmeeleus
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07/12/13 08:40 AM


Re: Living Within Your Divine Self
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Hello again Mathew,

At the risk of having what I am going to write called 'rubbish' I am going to write it anyway. It is my own personal opinion.....

I believe we are love I do not believe you can separate love but what you can do is have an illusion of separation.

I believe also that we are all merged with love and the collective we is omnipresence.

Just because we are not aware of something does not mean it is not truth for someone.

As I said before my 'inner knowing' comes from intuition and not from being told by anyone. But if someone told me something that advanced my concept of spirituality I would be grateful that they shared their knowledge with me.

I have learned an awful lot from the people on this site!

There is no absolute truth!

Have a nice evening too.
take care
Tawmeeleus



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Mathew
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07/12/13 04:38 PM


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Gíday Tawmeeleus

It is quite obvious that a lot of your knowing has initially come from books & alike because the way you express yourself in your writings which will reflect in what we pick up on from our inner knowing believe it or not. People read too much thus read too much in what they pick up on from their inner knowing. We need to be taught to listen to ourselves from the very start; this would make what we say more pure.

There are people today who are walking our streets who have been influenced very little by human knowing that are very powerful people indeed because they have only relied on their own inner knowing nothing more, they know little about words like this omnipresence because words like omnipresence are but a human concept, it expresses a perceived idea.

Letís take a look at myself; I donít truly know what the word omnipresence actually means. When I was in my mid-teens I had all the knowing of everything at the grasp of my hand without being told how to do this.

Look at human knowing in this way, itís like a spoilt brat because a spoilt brat isnít born spoilt it is brought up spoilt by certain influences so it becomes something other than what it is which gives it a different perception of the world, adults are the same to do with knowledge. Just look at what we have done with that knowledge by screwing it around right throughout human history.

To understand what I am saying Tawmeeleus you need to go past the conscious state of just unconditional love & oneness, in this is everything one would want to know & more.

Love
Mathew


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Tawmeeleus
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07/12/13 05:42 PM


Re: Living Within Your Divine Self
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Well Mathew,

Have you ever heard the expression 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'?

I think the major difference between you and I is I do not always have to be right all the time. I am human not perfection.

You accuse other people of being conflictive and yet you are conflictive when someone does not agree with you. You impose your beliefs instead of informing sometimes. You can be very intimadating, but I am not intimadated by you.This is not a criticism just an observation because as I said I am not perfect myself.

how could the word omnipresence be a human concept if we only know self?

You say when you were in your teens you had all the knowing of everything. Yet you tell me I get a lot my knowing from books!!! because I have used the word omnipresence.

What I know is from intuition. which is different to my knowledge. Knowledge is what we are taught or 'pick up' knowing is very different to knowledge!

Not very accepting from someone who says that acceptance of all leads to true spiritual awareness.



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Mathew
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07/12/13 07:24 PM


Re: Living Within Your Divine Self
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Gíday Tawmeeleus

What are you doing on your high horse, I expected better from you when in disagreement of your beliefs!! Youíre taking this much to heart & where is your unconditional love? Trust me if you were unconditionally loving in any way you wouldnít be having ago at me like you are so I would presume from this you donít know what you are talking about when you talk about unconditional love.

Iím not sprouting Iím right over you all I am doing is discussing different diverse beliefs so please donít turn this into something itís not, ease back on the neg ego.

Yes Iím conflictive & yes Iím egotistical at time & all the other bad non-spiritual things but Iím all accepting of all being of the spiritual which is of true oneness not separating everything within its own set slot & labelling it, this is very human nothing more.

Quote: how could the word omnipresence be a human concept if we only know self? You donít get it, who devised the word omnipresence? It was human wasnít it so itís of human concept like any written language, think outside the antiquated human communicative concept & then tell me what you see!!

Human knowledge is known to deflect us away from our inner knowing Tawmeeleus especially at the subconscious level.

Reading the last line youíre not being very unconditionally loving at all period. True acceptance is the acceptance of not being accepting as well at times, itís totality in a nut shell of being totally accepting not just accepting of the things we want to be accepting of but the totality of all.

Very disappointed indeed, if youíre going through a hard time personally, sorry!!

Love
Mathew


Acceptance of all leads to true spiritual awareness.

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Enkirch47
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Many in this reality talk about unconditional love, yet have no understanding of it. And are not meant to either. All in good time.

Edited by Enkirch47 on 07/13/13 00:56 AM.




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Mathew
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G'day Enkirch47

Yes I should no better however so many learn from diversity in not knowing so I suppose that is the reason we don't know yet even when we think we do.

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To clarify what I said, this reality we are in and in the process of leaving, is designed to make a choice between the light and the dark, once we have made this on a soul level, we will enter with earth the level of unconditional love, which we are in the process of entering, but have not fully entered.
On this level we can call the level of unconditional love, (so we don't have to use numbers) we will learn about unconditional love but will not fully implementing it. This will happen in the level above, the one I call the density of wisdom.
Different densities are designed for different learning, and non-conditions where not part of this density.


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Tawmeeleus
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Re: Living Within Your Divine Self
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There is no absolute truth!!!!!!!!!!



Edited by Tawmeeleus on 07/13/13 04:29 AM.




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Enkirch47
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no there isn't


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Mathew
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07/13/13 06:14 PM


Re: Living Within Your Divine Self
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Gíday Tawmeeleus

Yes there is however it doesnít belong to any individual but is very collective. Why donít we want to believe there is a collective truth? Ego, why do we make up & use fancy words? Ego. Most people arenít aware in how the ego works subconsciously, you might think consciously youíre not being of the neg ego but your subconscious knows better.

Now what has the ego got to do with not wanting to know that there is an absolute truth? Oneís own personal beliefs because an absolute truth would questions everyoneís belief & egotistically in realities like this one we canít handle that so we say there is no absolute truth. However in realities like this one absolute truth has no dominion, it is irrelevant because of our personal belief including mine. Why do most of us think realities like this one are illusions? To escape our own beliefs being questioned & in actual fact they are saying we are living a lie.

Letís look at denying that there is an absolute truth, so the creative source created everything from a lie, donít think so, the creative source is absolute truth because to know all is absolute, there is nothing more so if you know all what is the lie? All our souls & humans vessels are doing is experiencing our & the creative sources knowing, nothing new in our knowing. Everything is known so is truth but on the other hand itís the experiences form this knowing that is new & I think this is where we have gotten things mixed up between knowing & experiencing our knowing.

I would like to apologise to you Tawmeeleus, you are of this reality but Iíve realised even more so now that Iím not especially in regards to unconditional love & oneness, I know there is a lot more but whatís the point in knowing this if itís not of this consciousness but many consciousnessís further on. Donít get me wrong Tawmeeleus Iím not being egotistical just frank as my souls a lot more aware than I gave it credit for but Iíve stagnated my human knowing of this for an obvious reason which I have just shown in my replies to you, other souls just donít get it & I donít blame youse.

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Mathew


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Mathew
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07/13/13 06:43 PM


Re: Living Within Your Divine Self
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Gíday Enkirch47

Iím awfully wrong with people like Tawmeeleus in regards to telling them there is a lot more to consciousness than just unconditional love & oneness for this is what this new consciousness is all about. I didnít realise it until now that Iím not about this new consciousness but consciousnessís that are far more expanded which I regret knowing & have always regretted knowing to one degree or another because whatís the point in knowing beyond the consciousness you are living in when all whatís going to happen is ridicule & being ignored because most souls donít have the capacity to see beyond their own conscious awareness, you just donít relate unless ignorant of your souls awareness.

People like Tawmeeleus have questioned me on just about everything Iíve written denoting how wrong I am however Iíve never taken it to heart that I know of because what I wright is for very few people because of the lack of understanding due to their souls awareness which is fair enough.

I would quite happily go back in the cave man days to live in ignorance of my soulís awareness as I tried to do in this life. Do you know Iíve had ago at people in realities that donít have our antiquated communicative system of conveying our thoughts & knowing , they donít have books or any spoken word as knowing is just known which means they have no spontaneity or any real individuality so why live in different vessels? The reason they do this is to experience such knowing within a vessel but to me at the soul level this seems even antiquated & this is why Iíve always tried to be disconnected.

I can see why I loved the previous consciousness, it took me away from being too connected & aware plus it had plenty of spontaneity & individualism that fed my human ego, what more would an aware soul want? I think knowing about myself a little more on the human level I will conduct myself in a more appropriate manner however I do love spontaneity & individualism which a lot of spiritually aware people wrongly condemn of being of the neg ego.

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Mathew


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