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Mathew
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06/04/13 08:26 PM


The Intrepid Ego
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Negative Traits of the Ego: I think most of us realise what the ego portrays at its worst, conflicts, the ego is about conflicts either it be through military war, social war, political war, financial war or war within ourselves itís all to do with conflicts & this is why the ego especially within the spiritually aware fraternity is despised or unwanted & at its worst itís no wander we think like this. If we didnít have the ego to contend with as a species life would be somewhat more peaceful & harmonious in every way obviously.

The ego at its worst can deter us or hinder our growth especially for the spiritually aware, if we put ourselves above others in any way we are doing the opposite to what we should be doing as spiritually aware people, we are not being humble & itís this humbleness that is impossible for a person caught up on the attachments of the ego to express. How many attachments do we have one should ask ourselves? Any attachment is of the ego & yes an attachment to spiritually feeling good is an attachment & of the ego as well so if attachments are of the ego, what isnít an attachment or of the ego? If you are existing that is an attachment so in physical life in particular it is impossible to detach completely therefore we are always of the ego unless we do away with ourselves which proves nothing because even after death we can still have attachments as ghosts & alike show us.

As physical beings it would seem it is impossible to rid ourselves of the ego & associated attachments even when we are spiritually aware, to have a need or a want of betterment in anyway is of the ego, to paint or clean your house is of the ego, to dress nicely is of the ego, to talk about your children is of the ego & to take pride in your mind & body is of the ego so what isnít of the ego in this reality? To even express oneís dislike of the ego is of the ego so I would have to say nothing.

This sounds that everything that is physical & mental is of the ego not just the negative things but all the positive things as well like taking pride in oneself & others especially of your family so if we got read of the ego we would have to go around in rags, have very little communication with others, donít care for what you eat or drink, never bathe & in actual fact live to die. Is this taking humbleness too far to rid ourselves of the ego? Well that is quite obvious what the answer would be, yes, so what do we do just let the ego rule & do nothing about it?

Controlling the Ego: Control the ego instead of it controlling you, we have allowed ourselves right through human history with the ego calling the shots in other words taking control of us instead of the other way around, it is obviously impossible for us to rid ourselves of the ego completely nor should we even try which just depicts more egotism, what we should be doing is taking control of the ego. So how is this possible? Not through egotistically trying to better oneself by trying to rid ourselves of the ego but by seeing the egoís benefitís not just seeing how harmful it is all the time which is awfully negative.

So what are the benefits of an ego, its positives? Life itself for starters, if we were born with no ego what prospects would we have to further ourselves in any way which includes becoming spiritually aware or reconnected to our inner selves or God? Absolutely none because itís the ego that propels us on to develop not to just sit there & stagnate. Yes there are spiritually aware people like gurus who sit around as humble as they can & stagnate, could we all do this? No because we would all starve to death so someone has to be of the ego & have associated attachments to grow food.

ďThe ego is very powerful & intrepid as it has no fear within itself but causes fear especially in those who fear it the mostĒÖ.Love Mathew

So whatís the answer? Seeing the egoís positive points & by doing this in time these other negative traits of the ego will disappear as if they never existed, it is obvious we canít rid ourselves of the ego & associated attachments but we can cut them down to size & take control. How do we look at the positive points of the ego when they can be so destructive & disruptive? ďTake what you need not what you wantĒ, this is a very good start, if the want is going to make you become more aware this is more of a need not just a want, see how positive it becomes when you look at it consciously differently!! It all comes down in the way we perceive it than what it really is however to feed the ego through just wants is going the other way thus the ego is taking control of you again not you taking control of the ego through positive awareness. Tackle the ego positively & negatively!!

Love
Mathew


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Tawmeeleus
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06/05/13 12:30 PM


Re: The Intrepid Ego
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Hello Mathew,

I feel differently when it comes to ego, as you know!!!
I still think ego is only for the physical reality, I do not know what use an ego would be to 'love energy'.
Energy has no needs it 'just is'
We have ego for the very reasons you state, to give us individual selves and to have the instinct to survive in that state.
I think to be humble and stagnate is a waste of ego as it is not serving any purpose other than to make other ego feel inferior.
How is that helping mankind? It is in itself ego driven.
As I have said often of this forum, there is no absolute truth, there is different opinions and that can only be healthy for everyone and their ego.
take care
Tawmeeleus


P.S. The book is going well, I am looking for a copy editor at the moment.
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Edited by Tawmeeleus on 06/05/13 12:31 PM.




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Mathew
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06/05/13 06:06 PM


Re: The Intrepid Ego
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G'day Tawmeeleus

Yes we do think differently on this which is great, if we all thought the same we wouldn't evolve I feel.

To me the creative core (God) created souls to experience it's own knowing but for the souls to experience such knowing they needed realities to do just that which turned out to be realities of time & space which gave us definition. The souls desirably created these realities of time & space & desire is of the ego. Why would a soul want to experience physical existence unless it was desired?

It would seem the biggest difference between you & I is you look at the ego of being something negative I don't as only seeing negatives in things is conflictive.

Everything to me is of the spiritual which includes the ego, we can't say this that & the other is spiritual & everything else isn't,that just seems so unnecessarily conflictive which is so human & of the ego. I see the ego as a creative source of energy that will give us what we need to experience the creatives core knowing either that be negative or positive. Nothing that exists isn't from the creative core itself otherwise it wouldn't exist it couldn't so everything is of the spiritual & acceptable which is far less conflictive.

We humans pull everything a part & put it into it's own little slot of existence, negative goes over there positive goes over there but it's not like that as they are really one of the same which depends on how you look at them. For an example going through excessive pain to some is extremely negative but to me it gave me more than they will ever know, the ego is of the same.

Everything in realities of time & space is ego driven however when you see the positive attributes of the ego one's perspective totally changes as it no longer has a negative attribute thus we have become less conflicitve with our spiritual environment, how more spiritual can you get, acceptance is the key not conflict.

Keep well dear Lorraine

Love
Mathew



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Tawmeeleus
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06/06/13 04:06 AM


Re: The Intrepid Ego
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Hi Mathew,

NO I did not mean to give the impression that ego was a negative thing. I do not think ego is negative just because I believe it is only for the physical reality. We could not survive without it, that I do know.
Ego protects us from omnipresence and collective.
I am not sure that ego comes from desire, I think command of ego could be something we have to achieve to further the evolution of love!
I do not think physical life is the only existence that we experience. If time is infinite then this one life is a blip in eternity!!!
I agree about excessive pain, it is a blessing in disguise. We only learn through suffering, we do not learn through love.
Really enjoying this discussion!!!
take care
Tawmeeleus





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Mathew
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06/06/13 08:23 PM


Re: The Intrepid Ego
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G'day Tawmeeleus

I always love conversing with you Lorraine because it's always healthy & constructive.

I thought you were one of the one's who thought the ego is bad period.

Desire comes from the ego self which give us attachments from life to life, we really don't have to clear each & every attachment to become more aware & connected to our inner self all I think we need to do is become aware of our souls core again before we had attachments that's all. Ridding ourselves of every individual attachment is the long hard road to go.

Any conscious energy has intent & any intent to exist in some way is of the ego in contrary to egotism. The soul at first isnít of egotism but I believe it is of the ego otherwise why would it exist? In saying the soul isnít of egotism isnít quite right because over time if allowed, I believe, the soul can become egotistical this is why we are so humanly diverse.

Take the soul from when it was first created, all souls are exactly the same so this would mean in physical life everyone would be exactly the same in thought & persona, what I believe that makes us different is what the soul desires & through living out various desired lives one accumulates attachments which hinders our reconnection with our souls core again. Itís just what I am picking up at the moment Iím not adamant about it.

I didnít believe in a heaven but I am now going to right about heaven however not the pearly white gates heaven, none the less though something simular & why it exists which has a lot to do with attachments not to a God but physical existence.

Love
Mathew


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Tawmeeleus
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06/07/13 12:16 PM


Re: The Intrepid Ego
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Hi Matthew,
We are going to have to agree to disagree!!
I still think love is evolving not ego. In my opinion ego is just a small part of the evolution of love.
If love is one energy then to be separate it needs an illusion of separation which is ego.
It is the physical self that is different because ego has free will, not soul or love.
Some people are on this earth for a higher purpose than ego, their purpose is not ego, it is love for mankind.
There is no desire on their part it 'just is' their purpose.
Ego is not important in my opinion it is love that is important.
take care
Tawmeeleus
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Mathew
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06/08/13 04:21 PM


Re: The Intrepid Ego
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G'day Tawmeeleus

I would like to get where you are coming from here Lorraine, is love evolving through us humans because love as such has always been there? Do you think love is everything? Do you think the creator is all love nothing else?

The thing is Lorraine I don't separate one from the other like hate from love or love from the ego because to have true oneness you would have to realise it's all of the same as it all came from the one source initially which was one vibration however once this vibration expanded out into realities of time & space it seem like many different vibrations & frequencies. Separating one from the other or saying like love is the creator represents separation which has nothing to do with oneness.

As I am playing out my role as a human being it all seems separate & that is how I will interact with it however knowing from wince we came from a reality of no time & space there canít be any separation, this is true oneness, you canít truly separate love from everything else if you want to experience true oneness.

The love we feel from being connected comes from entering into a state of awareness of utter peace & harmony which gives us this feeling of love & if you get pass this point of just feeling love a whole new reality opens up & you realise there is no love or hate yin & yang itís all one of the same however in saying this feeling that everything is love or that we are love is evolving isnít a bad concept to follow at all.

Love always
Mathew

PS Quite interested at reading your book not to pick on but get a different perspective on what you believe

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Tawmeeleus
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06/08/13 05:40 PM


Re: The Intrepid Ego
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Hi Mathew,

It would seem we see the world and what it is all about from two totally different concepts.
I believe love is oneness. The physical and ego are separate from love and that is the whole point of having ego and an illusion of separation.
We live in a physical world, with free will. Everything in the physical has to have balance. Thus hate is the balance of love, ego is the balance of collective.
Love does not have to balance anything, it is not of the physical it 'just is'.
If the physical and the other reality were oneness then what would be the point of the illusion?
I believe and it is only my personal opinion that in the evolution of love command of ego is necessary for the next step in the evolution of love.
If an ego can feel pure unconditional love imagine what is possible after that!!!!

take care
Tawmeeleus





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Mathew
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06/12/13 01:19 AM


Re: The Intrepid Ego
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G'day Tawmeeleus

Well you see I don't believe in illusion, if it vibrates it exists therefore it's not an illusion which includes this reality.

Love is just an emotion like hate it's all of the ego.

The point of what you call the illusion is for the creative core (God) to experience it's knowing not just know it's knowing & to do this the souls were created thus the ego to create such a place for the creative core to experience it's knowing & become aware of itself through us. We all have a job to do no matter what we are doing it's part of the job.

It is funny how many connected people have a different concept of things even though we are all connected to the something, one can't be wrong or right over the other just different which just shows how vast consciousness is.

Keep well
Love
Mathew


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