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Mathew
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G'day Robbiesan

You said the I word. It's all about the I but as a collective I & anyway we have our own paths to walk as the I which empowers the collective anyway.

We relate the I to the faulty ego which is but another spiritual concept that screws us up psychologically.

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Re: Self Talk
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Ego is the central player in self-talk. It is the source of damaging self-talk and will reap the rewards thereof.
Reducing or even eliminating ego automatically reduces or eliminates sefl-talk.

Getting rid of ego goes to the core of all our problems. Everything else is just playing games.


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HI Mathew. "I" did indeed. Let's keep in mind, that Creation is an "I". It is a personification or sorts, at a foundational level. Aside from that, there is apparently No-Thing, before I. But, as you can see here, as we share what we think we know, the egoic self is still at work. What is the difference between I and I? Ultimately there is no I? This is part of the journey. If Life really is eternal, we have plenty of Lives ahead of us to experiment and experience the different points of view of Self.

Let's be careful with this also as to "what's it's all about." Anything we come up with are assumptions we make based on what we believe to be true, in this moment. To call it absolute truth is to not understand the nature and purpose of Infinity. Truth is not written in stone, even for Self. Your highest good as an individual is Self's highest good as a collective, or whole. So, would it not make sense to get to the bottom of your own I Not-I-ness? By doing so, you will naturally produce highest good for Self. "We" are probes of the Self, experiencing as it, but not as it, on its behalf.

I have learned not to relate I to the ego alone. Yes there is apparently only Self, but does that automatically invalidate a self's experience? I is Creation, experienced from many "I" points of view. All are valid. It too was a faulty understanding of ego that caused me grief. By choosing to stop resisting, and embrace and love it as best I can, we are moving towards total integration ("rid of" cause me more pain, where embracing with love caused me to move towards the joy of Oneness). The ego is awakening. Is that even possible?

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No arguments with this, nice valid points there. However, it such a bad thing to work with all aspects of yourself towards integration, meaning Oneness? When we make something wrong, when perhaps we mis-understand it's nature and purpose, this is the source of pain and suffering. It was when I chose to stop fighting with "my ego" that I began moving towards inner peace. All is Self, to invalidate any of it is to alienate an aspect of Self. This is not to say "let the ego run your life." Not at all. Bring it into the light of awareness and truth. I think many of us have experienced enough grief with our egoic selves, and why it becomes easy to want to be rid of it. Is it possible we may have even greater experiences by embracing ego? (Infinite possibilities, right?) Once again, this does not mean to allow ego to run your life, simply to stop looking at it as less than.

It's all games brother. Life/Self is nothing but a series of games. It's apparently all make believe. The thing is, do we truly understand the game we're playing? Does it matter? Is it serious? It can certainly appear that way, or not. Depends on the lenses you look through, what you are seeing as truth. Perhaps it is simply No-Thing, Being and experiencing itself. Or not. See what I mean? What do you really know that you call absolute truth and can prove it convincingly to all Creation? *shrugs* For myself, I am on a journey, as are you. At this "time" in my life I understand I need to let go of everything I believed to be true. There is always more, but we'll miss a great deal if we keep the "blinders of truth" (meaning, what we think we know) held tightly.

Also, I think there is something many may not yet understand about ego. We relate to it and call It "my ego" or see some relativity between ego and our Now self. When you take a deep look at ego you will see that it is made up of memories (past data), beliefs—most of which we have received from others and integrated into our belief systems (often without questioning it), even e-motions we may have picked up from others. So, no, it is not who really are. But that does mean it deserves to be treated less than the greatest of Self? Where is the love, compassion, and understanding in that? I ask this because I once thought as you do, and it hurt. Ask your heart what I mean.


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Mathew
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G'day Robbiesan

I wasn't having ago at you Rob as (I) think it's funny having a hang up over (I).

quote:

"We" are probes of the Self, experiencing as it, but not as it, on its behalf.




Perfect, now this statement is absolute truth, see there is absolute truths. This is in line to serving God in a religious context which I never believed in but these days I know, at this point, we are serving the collective consciousness which of course is we as a whole or (I) as a collective.

quote:

The ego is awakening. Is that even possible?



Aptly put & a good question, in my mind yes because everything to me is of awareness/consciousness including the so called big bad ego. Yes the ego can be distributive because we have, in most parts, only become aware of it's destructiveness, we have in my mind still to become aware of it's creativeness or constructiveness.

As a species we are only just starting out. I believe there is a hell of a lot more to come but being human we are impatient & want to believe this is it in regards to thought, intelligence & awareness forgetting man thought the same thing a thousand years ago.

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PS I haven't had a chat like this for awhile with someone else other than myself & my wife of course, I think she is as nutty as I am

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G'day Robbiesan

We tend to refer to the ego as being I as in my ego but isn't it really the collective ego we are just playing parts of out in life? It's as if we split the ego up into portions & said you can play this part out & I will play another part out in life & see how we go with it or see what comes of it.

This of course creates yet another reality, self-discovery of oneself & the collective conscious as a whole. If we learnt to use the less destructive attributes of the ego & used more of the constructive attributes of the ego a new reality, modes of thoughts, would appear. The problem is we have a learned behavioural pattern going on here, we keep playing out the same old parts of the ego & really going nowhere in our own self-awareness.

I was talking to a person recently about how people are getting together with others & praying or manifesting a better existence but I said we have been doing the same thing for centuries, why is manifesting for a better existence now going to be better than a thousand years ego or so, not much has changed from all this manifesting from the past as we are still warring as much as ever. In fact if it wasn’t for the threat of a mass annihilation we would probably be more at war than ever.

Technology, which is also a part of awareness, has blossomed but we are still allowing the nasty side of the ego to dictate to us in how we use this newly found awareness in new technologies so really not much has changed in our perceptions & modes of thought. The answer of course would be to use the ego in a more positive way but first we need to stop demonising it. We can use it to construct a beautiful reality that everyone will cherish in time I believe.

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Re: Self Talk
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quote:

No arguments with this, nice valid points there. However, it such a bad thing to work with all aspects of yourself towards integration, meaning Oneness? When we make something wrong, when perhaps we mis-understand it's nature and purpose, this is the source of pain and suffering.


Let me first state that ego if used in a functional sense, indicating a node of perception and action, i.e. locating something in space and time with no further meanings attached, is not a problem.

However this is not the way it is usually used. The common use for it is to make it an object representing the core essence of self and our existence.
This is the cause of all our problems because it is the the source of separation and disintegration. If integration, or Oneness is the goal, then the idea of such an ego has to be eliminated. One cannot use the source of a problem to solve the problem it has created in the first place.

Ego is creation of our mind. Watch this video
http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html
Much about her stroke experience is the functional ego at work. There is no concern about how she looks, what other people think or might say. It, when it surfaces into consciousness every so often, is simply concerned with what is necessary to support further physical existence. There are no other conerns. These other concerns are the domain of what we usually think of ego.
To use what the video covers, the left hemisphere should be in the service of the right hemisphere, not its master.

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Re: Self Talk
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Hi Mathew. Thanks for the great posts. I think we are on the same page, just seeing things as we do, which is great.

Just to be niggly, I still choose to be careful in calling anything an absolute truth. Here's why. I am seeing, to some degree: 1. Infinite, 2. Experience stuff, 3. When need to be refer to point 1. Also, we are generally speaking about what we consider to be reality. At this time I am at No-Thing being something being me, you, and all the things. What may be considered absolute truth here, may not be so in another reality. Even within this reality, let's say 99/100 of us agree this thing called "they sky" is "blue", and yet one person whose eyes may be different and perhaps see they sky as green.. who is correct? Both. The 99 might call it truth, absolute truth even, yet it is only true for them, but another self's truth is also valid. Now, take this perspective and apply it to infinite possibilities. Yeah, I know, such has been my path.

Upon my path, I too had learned from other selves "ego is bad, and must be rid of." I bought into that. Meaning I believed it, but did not question it. I was taking another's truth, or perspective, as my own. With how badly I was feeling inside it wasn't a reach at all to consider the ego as a bad thing. Yeah, that caused a lot of hurt, the non-acceptance of something about myself. I have also found that years of trying to let go of, integrate, while I still believed ego was a 'bad' thing, was ineffectual, and frustrating.

Recently, the other day kinda thing, I really became aware of this fact. I decided to say "Hey, Universe, I now understand that my efforts have met with little success because of how I was viewing this aspect of myself that I come to know as ego or false self. I see now that my approach wasn't the correct one to achieve Oneness within myself. I choose now to let go of those beliefs. I choose instead to see the ego as part of me, part of Self, and is perfectly valid. I choose to see it as a gift that I have denied, to love it, to open it, and be all of myself." Universe, as always, responded and I began to feel an immediate shift towards a positive loving, inclusive experience with my egoic self.

You know, Self brought it to me a while ago that the egoic self can be fully integrated. "Interesting" I thought, "possible" sure, but of course it was not easy while I still held the belief that ego was something bad, that needed healing or whatever. It was the change of thought about it that opened up channels to a different experience. Wow, I can tell you that I woke up today feeling great within. It does make a difference for sure. Apparently anything is possible, and I am one of those folks who has decided to get a refund on all the things I bought into that are simply not allowing me to be Infinite, even in human form. I know you're with me on that. Out of this world and beyond, yet here experiencing whatever I do.

Thanks for the next post too. I'm with you on that. Our individuality and collectivity are both aspects of what we are. From one angle we are in human form, from another we are of it, and either way our being constantly ripples the fabric of "reality" with the energy/waveforms we send. What's really going to change things is the quality of our thoughts.

Here, let's put into a simple scientific principle: what we believe, we receive. A basic statement, which when understood, changes everything. We see our world in turmoil, and for myself I certainly came to believe that humans were innately stupid evil small minded-hearted beings. I learned lots about pain and suffering. So, my beliefs as an individual were not in line with creating a greater reality, but in fact, I was reinforcing the pain and suffering. By choosing to change my thoughts about myself and humanity, I can now provide a positive effect upon the collective. I literally take it as "my thoughts go towards creating my individual experience, but also the collective to some degree. With that, I know it starts with me. If I cannot see and allow myself to be in a positive light, how can I truly benefit the collective? This is why it hits home for me that my highest good is Life's highest good.

Your last statement there about technology looks bang on to me. It comes back to the psychology of it all doesn't it. Take a piece of this thing we call money. On it's own it does nothing, but we can do things with it. Some may use it to benefit others from a positive perspective, some may use it to better themselves and not others. You know as I do, that we can use whatever we have for pain or joy, for fear or love, etc and there is no right or wrong ultimately but simply 'who we are being' in the moment. It is when we look within and choose to see ourselves differently, and what is possible, and choose to believe in those things that our world can change for the better. For myself I say "Universe, I believe in the best about myself and humanity." I will continue thinking this as I choose to input this into the collective consciousness.

Thanks very much for the conversations Mathew. I love it. I too don't get to chat with too many people like this. It is great. I am glad that you have a wife who is with you on the path and willing to see what else is possible. That is a beautiful thing.

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Re: Self Talk
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Thanks for the link. Great video.

Here's the thing. Is all of that really true? Absolute truth, so help you God? For myself it is not. We will experience ego as a bad and limited thing so long as think it that way. If we believe something, and Universe manifests it, and we call it true.. what can one expect. Here: do you believe it because it's true, or is it true because you believe it? All of these things we discuss, are simply based on what we believe to be true, and since (generally) experience what hold as true, then you are simply creating and experiencing you current (believed) truth. World is flat? Yeah, c'mon, we know better now.

For myself I have spent much time looking within, learning how many ways not to do things, which has been a integral part of my path. The point though is we are creators within an illusion. I choose then to bring all of myself into balance and alignment, to release beliefs that cuase constriction and polarization, and allow for the more of myself I had not allowed before. The most important thing that I ever did was stop believing others, in the regard of taking on their truth as my own. It is a reversal from seeking truth to creating it. I am chooing now to move back into Creator mode. Hey, consider cancer patients, and how their beliefs affect them. DOc says you got a couple months tops, nothing we can do, the person accepts it as true and creates the experience, albeit subconsciously. Another says no Doc, I have more to live for, and chooses for themselves and walks away to live another 10yrs. What was the difference?

So, be careful seeking truth. Life is illusion, a playground for Self to experience absolutely anything. Here's the catch: what you believe, you receive. See what I mean?

I chose to see ego in a positive light, to embrace it, integrate it, be all of myself. Why do we see a world where contracted ego ruins Life? Because so many do not even know it doesn't have to be that way, and that for the changes we say we want, it starts with us. No looking out there pointing fingers. It starts here. It's up to us and no one else. This is the second half (so to speak) of my journey. Let go of what I thought was true, so I could experience even more. Reality? Now, there's a journey and a half.

So, this is about stopping making things wrong, and letting go of "truth" and allowing the Infinite within and all around you to show you there is more, more than you ever thought possible.

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Mathew
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G'day Risingtide

Interesting, we just don't know how to use the ego constructively.

True story: There was this little autistic girl who had serious problems in communicating with others, there is no way she could even think of getting up in front of the class.

She was watching a pageant one night on TV & had the urge to enter into one; her mum could not talk her out of it. Anyway to cut things short she ended up entering into a pageant & did quite well, she no longer has her debilitating fear of getting up in front of crowds anymore. The point is of course the nasty little ego helped rid this little girl of her fears.

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Mathew
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G'day Robbiesan

I was only having a lend of you when I said your statement is absolute truth. Yes every reality has it's own truth & awareness.

Let's take a look at our own reality, other people around the world have a different perspective than we do & even in our own country, city people have a different perspective (truth) to country people & we are only talking about one reality one planet here.

Your right, as long as we see the ego as being a nasty creature of the dark so shell we reap such nastiness however we should be aware of it's destructiveness otherwise we wouldn't act but be weary in manifesting it's destructiveness in the mean time.

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Hi Mathew. You know, the other night I had to LOL. I imagined a ping pong match with you and I. Serve: "Absolute truth!" return "No Absolute truth". But, at this point we were just having fun. Eventually laughed and threw the paddles in the air, and sat down for a beer.

Yeah, that's it. There is so much that is possible. I too learned "mind bad" and "ego bad", which would eventually conflict with other sources of information that say to include all Self and do your best to understand and live it. There are simply too many stories of selves who do the impossible, simply meaning—defying conventional beliefs. That is why I am so adamant about weeding my own garden, and looking at each believe to see if it allows more of me to be, or becomes limiting. After spending many years unlearning (thanks Yoda!!)...you know what I mean.

From my own inner journey, I had such struggle because while I was trying to love and accept myself, I still held subconscious beliefs that were reverse polarity. Once I changed that, meaning "ego, you are not a bad thing at all.." well, that changed. Feeling much better. That is why it's so important to walk our own paths, and choose what really resonates with us, but yet, look deeper, to be sure of which aspects of us are considering something a truth.

I picked up a great book, which is exactly about all of this.
A Seth Book: The Nature of Personal Reality. <-- You really gotta read this. Right up your alley Mat.

I just picked up recently, like last week. It goes into so much more detail, but confirms what I have come to understand. Nothing is actually real. What we call real is but an illusion. We are creating with each thought and feeling, each choice. Conscious is one thing, shadow (ego) is another, spirit yet another, however all part of the same package. Great book. I really do recommend reading this to everyone, especially you Mathew to assist you upon your path.

And, hey it's all good brother. My approach is simply checking things out, experimenting, confirming. If any beliefs need to change, then I do so accordingly. I really am a "if it makes sense and resonates to the core of my being, I will pursue it." Just that. Once upon a time I was more of a stubborn little sod, but now prefer to hold beliefs that I can experience and confirm, and also of course, what is allowing to be all of me. Keeping it simple, which sometimes does not lend itself to all out intellectual conversations.

PS I talk to the Universe every day. I ask for stuff. I state stuff. I give thanks. In the case of the ego, I say "Universe, I release my old beliefs about ego being bad. I fully embrace my ego and allow it to be configured as my true self. We are at One. (meaning aspects at One, rather than divided, stuggling)" Stuff like that: what I do choose to experience. Try it. The Universe is awareness as well, and can work with you directly once properly open to it. Here's another example I was experimenting with. I say "I look no older that a very healthy 30yrs." Recently met some people who I hadn't seen for over 10years (I am turning 45 shortly) and they were amazed, literally saying "OMG, you don't look like you aged a day!! What's your secret." I kinda joked a bit, but truth is I simply choose to believe it.

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Mathew
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G'day Robbiesan

Haha...love it & yes the beer as well.

Unlearning takes a lot of reprogramming & defragging & many hours work. I was told numerous times in my early teens not to read or study too much in any one ideology, I now know why & it still took many hours of hard work to unlearn. I think some people need a lot of help in unlearning from what they have learnt over the years.

Someone else told me about the Seth book a while ago. Yes I’m allowed to read now because I have my own mind set not someone else’s, no defragging needed.

I’m not into saying what we are experiencing is an illusion, every time I think illusions a big fat no comes into my head. The illusion is thinking this is all we are, what we are experiencing is only a small part of ourselves, we are not physical being but on the other hand we are. Everything is of pure consciousness & because this pure consciousness isn’t of time everything has always existed including what we are experiencing in physical life however it’s only always existed in pure conscious form not in physical form. We are now experiencing pure consciousness in physical form & to do this we needed time. Time has always existed as well but as pure consciousness like everything else.

The illusion is we are not just this physical form, we are pure consciousness however the experiences we are getting in physical form have always existed as pure consciousness, they have always existed because pure consciousness isn’t of time & if it’s not of time everything we could imagine has always existed but only in pure conscious form until now. It would seem by experiencing this pure consciousness in physical form has given us the idea these physical experiences are delusional but it’s not.

This sounds lame but I keep getting a big fat no all the time when the question of illusions enters my thoughts.

Yes I change my views & beliefs, my blogs a good example of this. Life of knowledge is like stepping stones, you start from point (A) & go from there not missing any steps along the way otherwise you will become unbalanced & possibly fall. One bit of knowledge always leads to another & to another & so on it goes making each stone you have passed over null & void towards your journey but if you miss a stone all hell break loose.

Being truly connected peacefully can keep one looking & feeling young, I’m fifty yrs old & most people don’t think I am fifty, well most of the times anyway. At times I feel a hundred & fifty only because I’m playing the game which I don’t mind doing believe it or not.

Love
Mathew

Ps I’m amazed at how many blokes these days hug each other, even some of the oldies are doing this out in public, things are a-changing.



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Good luck to you Matthew. Be well.

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G'day Tiat

Thanks for that my friend.

As you know I'm still trying to sort things out to what's accepting to me but also makes some sense as well. I just need to sit within the quietness a little more than I do.

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PS I thinking of joining a spiritual group, maybe they will sort me out.

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Hi Mathew.

I am in agreement with you. Whether Life is illusion or not, ultimately does not seem to matter. Hey, we exist—experience stuff! I too have had to let go of many ideas/beliefs/perspectives, to really simplify. It comes back to me "let it all go, step out of small heart-mind, and shift to allow yourself to be who you were born to be." So, illusion or no...just keep experiencing whatever you do. All we can really do is relate where we're at at any given moment. "All paths lead back to Self" kinda thing.

Trust in yourself Mathew. It's the message I keep getting. On the same note, I am also being honest as to whether I believe something, and why, and whether that really has anything to do with being who I really am. In honesty, I forgot, and that has been the struggle over the years. "Let go" is one of the wisest things I have received in this life. Not to say it's easy, but eventually we must let go of much.

*Hugs!* I think it's cool too. It is great to see.

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Mathew
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G'day Robbiesan

Yes, does it really matter if it's an illusion or not, we are here, be grateful!!!

Yes indeed let go & sit within the quietness.

Hugs to you too my friend



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