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Mathew
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08/14/13 08:30 PM


Faith, Mysticism & Philosophy to Science
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If we were all born atheists & had the thinking capability of an atheist back in the cave man days would have we accepted fire? We couldn’t because we had no logical understanding or awareness in how fire existed. I could see an atheist just putting out the fire because there was no logical proof of its existence & this is no different with the existence of God or a creative consciousness. The argument would be of course from an atheist is, “we can see the fire exists but we can’t of a God &/or consciousness”, what are we & of all of creation, we are God &/or consciousness. Just like the fire it exists & just like the fire in the cave man days it still exists without logical proof for the main reason we can neither logically prove nor disprove such things just like fire in the cave man days so yes I can see atheists back then putting out the fire.

All I can say is thank god our ancestors back then didn’t think like some of us do today, we would have never evolved & this is why the beliefs of atheism is flawed, it can’t possibly exist without logic. We didn’t have the logical understanding of such things back then but we did have faith & from faith mysticism & philosophy evolved & from faith, mysticism & philosophy science was created
& evolved so really we have a lot to thank faith for. So the big question here is, since we have evolved from cave man days of faith to logical thinking do we need faith any longer? Logic gives us one thought perception or mode of thought but faith gives us another which of course proved handy in our evolutional thought process & perception for without faith we obviously wouldn’t have evolved & I don’t think it’s any different today.


Acceptance of all leads to true spiritual awareness.


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Risingtide
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08/15/13 00:07 AM


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Re: Faith, Mysticism & Philosophy to Science
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I think your logic is a bit flawed here.

IMI the basic problem is that thought, perception, faith, logic, are all mental processes. As such they leave out one's experience.
Fire burns when one comes too near to it. This is not belief, it is repeatable by everyone, and because of that even the cave man could not dismiss it. This is an altogether different thing to God or consciousness.


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Mathew
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08/15/13 00:27 AM


Re: Faith, Mysticism & Philosophy to Science
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G'day Risingtide

Yes it would seem like it but if I touch the fire or another person that also is of consciousness or God so how can one say God doesn't exist when it is quite plain it does through all of creation just like the fire.

If we used the same deductive logical reasoning as atheists do today back then the fire couldn't possibly exist because we wouldn't have any logical understanding of it's existence so it must be an illusion. Atheist deductive reasoning would have made no sense what so ever back then but faith did.

Below is a response I gave to someone else on the same subject.

We don't understand the human brain to it's fullest extent but that's not of religion & neither is the universe because we can't even agree in how it was first created & what about everything else we don't understand about it.

If we used the same logical deductive reasoning that atheists use today that we have with God or faith the cave man fire wouldn't exist but it does obviously because we can see it but an atheists couldn't accept this because it's not of any logic within their awareness or knowing. This same concept is used to formulate an idea that God can't exist or that faith is delusional today.

God or what I call consciousness collectively or not is like the fire, it exists because we exist, in other words we are proof of a creative consciousness or God exists, just because we can't logically give it definition yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

A thousand years ago there was no way we could ever take flight because that was logically impossible at the time. Logic changes with our conscious awareness however some logic like atheist logic hasn't by the looks of it. If it's not logical at the time it can never exist, strange atheist concepts I have to admit however the concepts of agnosticism are quite different. 



Acceptance of all leads to true spiritual awareness.


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